Is it too much to ask to fix US Ground top tier?

[Necrons31467]

@Necrons31467

You seem to take offense to anything that doesn’t align with your point of view.

@ileaveuptiers

Wow aren’t you the egotist.

You’re not exactly proving me wrong here.

Anyways, I’ll leave the conversation here because I don’t think you’re interested in a constructive discussion.

[ileaveuptiers]

@Necrons31467

You’re not exactly proving me wrong here.

I certainly wasn’t going to let you imply I was “young” (inmature) without a rebuttal.

@Necrons31467

Anyways, I’ll leave the conversation here because you’re not willing to discuss anything in a productive manner.

What exactly have you added in this topic that would benefit US Ground top tier?

[_Renzo]

You asked what was good about US top tier, I responded that the Abrams is a good tank.

Then you moved the goalpost saying that the Abrams was broken. A tank being broken doesn’t mean it can’t be good. Whether or not you can use it well is a different story.

No matter what we say, you’ll just move the goalpost.

[ileaveuptiers]

I did not move the goal post, you guys took it upon yourselves to change the context of the question. The question already addresses the current state of the Abrams. This question was to address the other vehicles in the US lineup

[_Renzo]

Yes tou did. First it was this:

@ileaveuptiers

Explain to us how US ground IS good without mentioning CAS.

And after I said that the Abrams is a very capable tank, it suddenly turned into this:

@ileaveuptiers

Explain to us how US ground IS good without mentioning CAS and the currently broken Abrams.

Aka the goalpost was moved. Everytime we give an answer you’ll just add it to the “without mentioning XYZ” part.

The Abrams is a good tank even if it’s broken. So it can be listed as a reason for why top tier US is good.

[ileaveuptiers]

@ileaveuptiers

Explain to us how US ground IS good without mentioning CAS. You have 3 top tier MBTs that are broken and everyone exploits the armor flaws. What does that leave? ADATS? LOL… HSTVL has the wrong ammo/pen, Bradleys are just terrible because of how bad AGMs are in game, M1128 is a VERY niche map unit, and the LAVAD’s missiles range sucks

Are you intentionally ignoring the second sentence?

[_Renzo]

Yes, because like I said 10x now, something being broken does not prevent it from being good.

You asked for reasons why US top tier is good. If you wanted your second sentence to hold any weight you should have asked for any things that aren’t broken in the top tier US lineup.

[ileaveuptiers]

You can say the abrams is good 100000 times. It’s still not what I asked. I’m sorry you are having difficulty understanding the nature of the question.

[_Renzo]

You are asked to name what was good about US top tier besides CAS. I answered. US has 4 very solid MBTs with a diverse support lineup.

Yes they are broken and should be fixed, but they are still really good and capable tanks. That you go negative in all of them doesn’t change that, it just tells something else.

[ileaveuptiers]

• Bradley is under armored and the AGMs work poorly
• ADATS is useless for both anti aircraft and anti tank purposes, terrible line of sight radar and is classified as a spaa with the same spawn point requirements as an MBT
• M1128 is only useful in certain maps
• HSTVL has the wrong sabot penetration
• LAVAD is decent but the FIM missiles are lackluster and short ranged
• XM975 is worse than both ADATS and LAVAD but higher BR’ed than the LAVAD

The whole point of the question was to bring attention to how bad everything else performs

[SpeclistMain1]

@Dinfire

So many players admit they don’t even have sound turned on, and Gaijin has itself admitted this to be the case.

Honestly this should be considered more, because I rarely play with sound on anymore (and when I played only AAB/ARB I never had sound on) because I can’t really use speakers where I live, a lot of the time it’s just too boring most of the time to not listen to something else, and the sound system for War Thunder isn’t the most accurate anyways.

[MechaZelis]

lmfaooooo fucking blacktail man. absolute schizo.

[sartt]

@ileaveuptiers

Wow aren’t you the egotist. Now you want to ask about my age and make shots at my psyche. Um no buddy, that’s not how the internet works.

sounds like necrons. did i tell you one time i was i na game with necrons, and he rage quit after someone killed him from has spawn sniping spot on the middle east map?

[Dinfire]

@SpeclistMain1

Honestly this should be considered more, because I rarely play with sound on anymore (and when I played only AAB/ARB I never had sound on) because I can’t really use speakers where I live, a lot of the time it’s just too boring most of the time to not listen to something else, and the sound system for War Thunder isn’t the most accurate anyways.

Utilize headphones with directional wavelengths. Also turn down your engine volume and max enemies’.

Yes it’s boring. It also improves your awareness greatly.

[Dinfire]

@_Renzo

The Abrams is a good tank even if it’s broken. So it can be listed as a reason for why top tier US is good.

The Abrams is good enough for players who utilize every tool needed to take advantage of enemies’ weaknesses. It is not stellar. The turret ring bug and the hydraulic pump/reservoir bug and the manual handcrank back-up are all things that should be corrected.

Not merely “for hoots and giggles”. It is an accurate representation of the tank.

We allow players to utilize ammo in Russian and Soviet tanks that don’t even detonate 25 or 30 percent of the time when struck by APFSDS, I’m fairly sure we can eliminate the bugs in the Abrams

The Chally has been bugged and its been done to death by others just as passionate, and I stand by their reasoning. Again, Gaijin should want to do right by their modeling.

[quartas121]

@Dinfire

manual handcrank back-up

shouldnt this be modeled so even if the hydraulics are destoryed the turret can be turned at a much slower rate

would that even be grounds for a bug report?

[ileaveuptiers]

WT community when you ask for the Abrams to be fixed

waiting for that update

[rainy2000]

@_Renzo

The Abrams is a tank that below average/bad players will do bad in, but above average/good players can do really well in it because it offers the right tools/characteristics.

I agree, but I think the good players can achieve more with the Type 10, which has similar advantages and disadvantages to the Abrams.

[БрИт4нСкUй_П0дС0С]

@Dinfire

We allow players to utilize ammo in Russian and Soviet tanks that don’t even detonate 25 or 30 percent of the time when struck by APFSDS

They fixed this 7 month ago in 2.35.0.26.

[RavenGuardMarine]

@Dinfire

@Necrons31467

If you’re directing this at me, I’d just like to say that I’m not insulting any other forum users here, merely a Youtuber and his (awful) videos from 14 years ago.

You and your fellow ‘leets’ on this forum have been insulting forumgoers forever and a day. Your mockery is no longer necessary nor wanted, and you actively admitted that you blocked me because I called you out on your bad behavior in the past. When you and the others can embrace the idea that US Ground does need fixes, then you get to have my respect. Until then, you’re a brick wall and disingenuous at best, maliciously culpable in toxic behavior at worse.

@ileaveuptiers

They won’t even add the CORRECT ammunition that the sep and sep v2 even uses lmfao. They also have no clue what the base M1A2 or newer has for armor.

Sadly until more people fill out complete teams at top tier with 6 or 7 crew slots, we’ll likely never win.

There’s too many one death Andys to give us an appropriate idea of whether the Abrams is correctly ‘balanced’.

You had a golden opportunity for alliteration and you chose Andy instead of One death Debra’s

Opportunity wasted