Can y’all please take it a bit more easy and not insult each other, best take that to PM’s (ofc this message doesn’t mean to everyone:))
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No worries, it wasn’t directed towards you.
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And again you rather attack the person and try to discredit them then then his whole argument at all.
He is useing free and avalible DoD data and transforms it in to this.
Its the same rude awakening as for the english and there challanger 2 tanks, belived to be godmashines but proven to not be. Same goes for every mashine. They all have flaws.
Statistics and data and what dose being on the security council have to to do with the effectivnes of a mashine?
Just to check, “Blacktail” is Mike Sparks, right?
Necros has a strange obsession posting in every topic I make. Always to bash the abrams no less.
I’m literally defending the Abrams here against someone that’s posting videos claiming it’s the worst tank ever made.
And you’re still accusing me of bashing it?
I just can’t win, can I?
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Nope
Your car lacks a gun, it lacks armour, it has limited mobility offroad, it is not even considerd a combatvehicle.
You are in full denial.
You are not even trying you are just mad at this point.
Why?
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You are using a video made by Mike Sparks, one that actually doesn’t understand what he is talking about. Using his video is just making you look worse.
Seems to me you’re another one of those, I’ll do anything for my cannon fodder kills. No logic in what you’re saying. Those 9 M1s that were knocked out in desert storm were mostly due to friendly fire lol. 7 were from friendly fire and 2 were intentionally destroyed
and you two rather belive urban legends then the data provided by the DoD. Hey if Discovery chanel tells me that the m1 is teh greatest since sliced bread and nothing comes close to it it must be true. The media and the miltaryindustrial complex would never lie to you guys.
Gajin is a russian company hence its all rusian bias to make the M1 look as bad as possible, that guy on youtube is also a spy or just a hater, worse he is crazy and mentaly unstable and what not.
I understand that your whole belive system is in question and admiting that the M1 is not that great and its actualy quite acuratly depicted would discredit you and alll you have stood for. Heck all those years defending your standpoint would be for nothing. How stupid would one feel.
Any one saying other wise, just wants free kills, is hating america, freedom and democracy and apple pie just wants to keep you down. Its all in books. Daddy TV told me that we are the greatest of all and nobdy can stand a chance.
Camon, grow up. As every one else you are beeing feed propganda. As much you want to hate that guy he still got points to make and arguments are correct, there are errors as there everywhere but not taking him or any source in consideration as mucha s you dislike it because it shakes your own belive system is childish.
I udnertsand that i post the m1 fanclub and naild a thesis to your door but has any one taken any of that infor in consideration and questiond the information presented by the media and M1 Marketing department?
did bro just say the T-72B3 was in 73? that’s like saying the F-35 was in ww2
Seems like a description that fits you too. This youtuber seems like he is your lord and savior with how much you cling to their words lol.
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I guess the possibility escapes you that any data can be purposely misrepresented, something you would have realized if you watch the rebuttal video, which you certainly did not. Then make this ridiculous rant:
I never stated such a thing, saying that I use Discovery Channel as my main source of info hurts your argument more than it does mine. I do not think the Abrams is the best, I personally view the Leopard 2 due to its versatility and cost.
Also, I’m not an idiot to forget the Abrams was an oppressive tank when it first came out and stomped every single team it faced. However, Gaijin tends to milk a nation making them good money, and that will continue to be my criticism of them, not that they are originally from Russia.
If you do not have any idea of who Mike Sparks actually is, there is no use talking to you about it. Your ignorance about him is very telling about what sources you trust to reinforce your arguments here.
What are you even talking about here? Saying the M1 wasn’t good despite its performance in the Gulf War is wild. You are the one in denial it appears.
Whenever you’re done being a schizophrenic, maybe we can have an actual dialogue.
And then when you realize what who Mike Sparks is and the way he tries to frame arguments, you’ll realize you’re backing the least reputable critic. I have discounted Mike Sparks well before you showed this video, what you think I dislike about him is completely wrong, it isn’t even about tanks in the first place. Hint: he is part of the Reformers and argued the M60 was better.
The M1 as a platform is old, but far from being a bad one. In fact, most other countries’ tanks are old, Russia being one of the worst offenders of that. I’d be lying if I’m arguing to say the Abrams is the best, which I’m not. You seem to try to argue that the tank is a scam which is… an interesting reach.
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I would say that video provides less than an grain. 95% munitions have no applications for Anti-personel. Idk unless he is saying amount in stock maybe?
As for casualty amount i would put those numbers up with the sheer number of assets deployed.
While there had been instances of tanks. Being out on their own away from the infantry there had been many instances with them there giving support. Which happened more i am not taking the time to look.
I hEaRd iT oN yOuTuBe sO iT mUsT bE tRuE. The M1 looks bad because gaijin never fixed the turret ring, apfsds doesn’t shatter which the armor was made to do. They won’t even add the CORRECT ammunition that the sep and sep v2 even uses lmfao. They also have no clue what the base M1A2 or newer has for armor. They’re completely guessing stats. The only info they have other than crudely measuring a MK1 M1, is what’s out on the internet and they won’t even implement any of the info anyway. Even a Russian magazine says that the M1A2 is better than the t80 and that’s from a long time ago (before year 2000) https://step-into-the-future.ru/news/download/TiV%201998%20№07.pdf
I would believe a Russian magazine that has decades of literature before I’d believe some random nobody on youtube.
Some would love to, others prefer to continue being disingenuous and arguing every time US Ground gets brought up for APPROPRIATE fixes and actual accuracy in modeling. Sorry Surbaisse.
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This is false, VonMarder.
Stop repeating it. I’ve seen it on Tiktok and I temporarily believed it for all of about one month before I went digging.
Granted, they use Russian people in development teams, but that’s not to say they’re owned by Russia. One oligarch who happens to fit under Russia? Perhaps. But their headquarters now exists outside the nation, and they do have a couple people of international repute on the payroll.
You and your fellow ‘leets’ on this forum have been insulting forumgoers forever and a day. Your mockery is no longer necessary nor wanted, and you actively admitted that you blocked me because I called you out on your bad behavior in the past. When you and the others can embrace the idea that US Ground does need fixes, then you get to have my respect. Until then, you’re a brick wall and disingenuous at best, maliciously culpable in toxic behavior at worse.
Sadly until more people fill out complete teams at top tier with 6 or 7 crew slots, we’ll likely never win.
There’s too many one death Andys to give us an appropriate idea of whether the Abrams is correctly ‘balanced’.
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Gaijin can fix the Abrams overnight by just making the lower mantlet a non penetration area but I got completely ignored in the issues section. It would still allow shots to be made through the gap between the turret and hull but won’t allow stupid bounces. I know the forum guys aren’t the dev team but maybe pass a word along? I asked for some kind of feedback and I was completely ignored. Gaijin KNOWS the Abrams is broken, why won’t they implement some kind of temporary fix? The forums would be quiet.
Here’s the report.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/HKkYw8JXaj5Y
Shots 1, 2 and 3 should NOT pen the Abrams. Shot 4 which is a clean shot should.
Hull bounce into mantlet, destroys hydraulics, kills gunner and commander, damages turret ring
Similar shot
Shot directly into mantlet, kills gunner/commander, destroys turret ring, damages hydraulics and breach
A clean shot to the Abrams
No other tank in the game has such a bad shot trap. Making the lower mantlet a NON-Pen area would immediately fix these kinds of shots.
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