LMFAO!!! That’s actually crazy man…!
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If you have enough valid sources, you should 100% make a report about it here:
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder
and then post it on this thread so we can support you.
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Ah yes, the klimb afterburner report that basically ended the whole 190A line…
That bugreport is WT museum worthy… I mean his proof / source is literally a screenshot of him in-game showing the wrong angle of climb even… legendary nonsense.
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Last time I sent a bug report about the Panther A’s speed. I sent a museum’s data and the bug report moderator told me that everybody can upload anything on the internet and If I want to send a real bug report I should send factory data about the tank. However, I’m not a member of German factories, and for planes, I’m not a descendant of Wilhelm Messerschmitt or Kurt Tank…
I wrote it because I wanted to ask other players what do they think about it. Not for bug report.
I held it crazy to can’t cool down the engine when the oil temp. flashing in red because on the Bf 109 I can cool down the engine when red numbers are flashing.
But in one of my battle yesterday, I could cool down the engine in the Fw 190 aswell.
Simply put, GJ screwed the FM of the 190 so many times over that its simply not a joy to fly anymore due to it being far too limited in what you can do. The devs cant or dont want to model the FM of the 190´s right. That GJ also accepts fever dreams as bugreports in regard to Germany is also nothing new e.g. Spall liners on Leos or ignoring manufacturer manuals.
If you want to fly 190´s and have a decent flight experience DCS or IL-2 is the way as sad as that is.
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The FW-190A was documented as having overheating issues in reality, before this you could spam WEP all battle long which is completely inaccurate. Every other aircraft overheats more or less like it should, the 190 should be no exception.
The 190 flight model in general is in one hand over generous and another underperforming. For one it’s comically stable compared to reality where it was known to have a sharp stall and would also tighten up in turns very much like the Spitfire unless the pilot eased off of the stick (as reported by modern flight reports and Eric Brown).
This also has the added downside however that the 190 is nowhere near as dynamic to fly as it should be lacking a ton of elevator authority and manoeuvrability. The P-51’s are similar in the way that they should have a snappy stall but in game you have to fight them to make them do it.
It also heavily nerfed the 190 Ds, which are now unable to cool down their oil.
None of which were due to the oil cooler, as that remained largely unchanged throughout its development. Yet in-game, the oil temperature is the biggest limiting factor.
Cylinder head temperature was the limiting factor IRL, and side ventilation slots were introduced on the A-2 model (and all subsequent 190 As, including some retrofits to A-1s); the A-4 added controllable flaps to these ventilation slots, and cooling problems were pretty much gone.
Worth mentioning that when they tried fitting MW-50 to an A-4 they actually had issues with overcooling, not something you’d expect if all 190s were running too hot.
It gets worse in the 190 Ds, which were able to use WEP continuously for 10min thrice, with a cooldown period in between - yet in-game it’s basically impossible to get even the first 10min use in before your oil goes red and you suffer engine damage, let alone the rest.
Which they used to be, and I’m not sure why they changed that. The 190s used to be very fun to fly, but now if you want that experience you gotta go get the event one.
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The in-game Fw 190A-4 doesn’t have MW50 though.
F4U-1A in this game has MW50, despite 1 in 5 F4U-1A had Water injection equipped. Guessing from the monthly production rate and the manufaction number, F4U-1A with Water injection is least late 1943, and likely early 1944.
The German text is about testing of a MW50 unit on FW190 powerplant, later half is about C3 fuel boost and when they are implemented. The article mentions about how the installation of MW50 is prolonged due to cracking of cylinders. It also mentions about miscellaneous things like a container that used Zync in it ended up clogging the cock filter due to the contaminated fuel. And how the intake air is cooled around 40 Celsius. As it’s obviously stated that MW50 is used on A-4 and A-8 exclusively, it’s easy to spot A-8 having four options available. Vanilla, C-3 boost, MW50, GM-1. All of them not being used together as far as I know. Since we don’t have A-9 in this game, we probably should have a different variant of Anton with much higher power output. I think F-8 better get C-3 boost or atleast another variant like F-8(C3) just like B7A2 (Homare23) is a thing in the game. Like, Do335A-1 (DB603E) could be a thing too.
Fw190A-4 (MW50) sounds nice to have, beside the current one. Like, they are technically different aircraft. Thinking of it, F4U-1A (Early) should be in the game as it’s literally 4 out 5 examples in real life, in terms of the raw performance. The moderator rejected my proposal of adding Fw 190A-4 (MW50) as an another variant of the aircraft. The draft is removed for not “being legit” like it makes me sad. I wish the game had more diversity in aircraft types.
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In their defense, only one A-4 was fitted with it for testing purposes. I haven’t seen anything about an A-8 with MW-50, so this is news to me.
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A few months ago I worked with some fellows on a War Thunder server to find the first Fw 190 to have the MW-50 installed as a standard upgrade. I believe we found that the A-5s didn’t start out with it, but once the MW-50 was figured out a significant portion of A-5s were modified with it, possibly a majority (the information on exactly how standard it was was inconsistent, but all sources we found pointed to it at least being somewhat common). The MW-50 definitely became one of the standard modifications after the A-5s though, and our consensus was that it could probably be assumed that most Fw 190s after the A-5 would be given the MW-50, with other options being an exception to the rule.
I think the Doras might have been slightly delayed in receiving it, but the A-8 definitely had it.
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That’s interesting, I’ve never heard of it being a common modification. At most there was C3 injection and maybe GM-1.
Do you have any documents I can use as sources in the future?
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This is the only one we happened to save. I wasn’t the one who found or translated it, so I can’t speak to its veracity, it’s just the only one we still have on record. If I remember right, it describes that the GM-1 came with the A-8, but that airfields carried mountable MW-50 injectors if the pilot requested it.
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Whatever I said could be non-fact. Please see my post with a grain of salt. The other fellow’s posts are more preferable to trust. That’s for sure.
I think being able to gather more information and resources from the community is the best feature of this forum, to me.
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As far as I can tell your post checks out with my group’s findings, so any inconsistencies could probably be explained by the mess of German ww2 production.
the time is now to fix the flight model guys lets get to work
lets get on the bug reports and fix the flight model guys
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its difficult to master but help me make the fw190 fun to fly again lets collect sources and submit them