This was found last year, I don’t know who has or where it was found but it appears legit as there was also another page covering the ML specs, I think it came from an expo in China or India?
It was posted in the Kh-38 thread originally.
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Zhughai airshow china 2024
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Yes that’s it, thank you.
Honestly the treatment Russia get in regards top quality of Thermals is outrageous T-90M and T-80/72 are using versions of an old Thales sight.
Every tank in NATO should have massively superior optics
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It’s offtopic, but I’ll say it anyways.
I think PUMA should have recieved 3rd person thermals due to how it’s system works. That’s probably true for some other machines as well. (0 of them would be soviet though, that’s exactly why to everyone reading and even to me the sheer thought of it feels like herecy)
Thermal imagers-wise, I mean, it was talked about for a looong time - there’s no way in hell industrial complex that is struggling to produce a single modern tank is capable of strapping TGP level thermals onto expendable missiles.
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Basically Kh-38MT and Hammers should behave more like the Penguin missile, they are shot off at stand-off distance with GNSS, and they lock onto a large IR target like a ship or factory at close range, none of this fantasy 20+ km lock range they have on TANKS.
But anyway, I don’t wanna ramble too much about it, it’s off-topic. Basically the nerf to IRIS-T makes no sense whatsoever because the lock range is dictated by many factors which the game could also take into account but, no, we get a 4 km lock range on IRIS-T like it’s a 1960s missile.
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yet another gaijin communications failure
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You made quite a number of mistakes trying to say “marketing lie”
Quite strange that jets and helis lock small vehicles from 20km away…against ground noise, even through vegetation.
But a sophisticated anti air system from 2025 with its thermal imager can’t lock super hot air vehicles farther than 4km. Its like Gajin just wants this KH-28/LMur turkeyshot. Like pressing spacebar the pinnacle of WT top tier gameplay.
Oh nooo, if only there was an IR A2A missile that can lock targets from far-far awaaay, oh nooo, where we should look for it? Uh, I wonder who reached the pinnacle of IR technology faster than anyone else… Uh… What a shame…
Spoiler
R-27ET
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Ironically that seems to be the only missile with a kind of realistic lock-range ingame while every other missiles lock range is way too short.
Looking at the since over two years accepted lock-range report for the AIM-9L/M missiles…
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no not really
it is also missing alot of range rear aspect
That’s why I said “kind of”, meaning closest to something akin to pseudo-realism. It’s widely known at this point that the IR lock-ranges are generally way too short ingame.
A general overhaul of the IR system has to be done at some point in the future. The current implementation is nearing collapse…
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16-18 km in front aspect and 60-70 km in rear aspect? That sounds pretty busted, but not unrealistic considering the AIM-9M is also underperforming.
yep there is also an improved seeker with even more range
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The lock range didnt change. its still 12 km’s which is realistic and is stated by diehl. The only change was to when the missile chose to eject the nose cone and turn on the seeker, that is now 4 km’s.
A test of the IRIS-T slm is described here:
The missile turned on its seeker only at the endgame, which is very close to the target.
Here it is also described how the IRIS-T jettisoned the nose immediatly since the target was very close:
All in all this change is more realistic than it locking at 10 km’s, but i think it is stupid since from a balancing and fun factor perspective russian CAS is ruining the game currently.
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Imagine the scenario: Target is aquired by radar 20 km in the distance → missile is launched → The moment the missile is 10 km from the target the radar lost the track of the target (because of evasion, altitude or obstacles). What does the missile do? Does it fly on IOG until it’s 4 km from the last point of contact (or calculated point of contact) and only then jettisons its nose-cone? Or does it jettison the nose-cone instantly switching to IOG+SRC to hopefully find and lock-on the target the radar has lost as the seeker can look that far without problem?
In the first case, the behavior would be unrealistic and the implementation a massive nerf. The second case would be much more logical and not really a problem, except that notching will work now too as the radar will go for chaff instead of the plane, so the missile will IOG to the chaff.
Additional, IRIS-T SLM and SLS use the same IR seeker, no?
Than why gets only the SLM nerfed and not both?
Do the SLS systems even have a jettisonable nose-cone?
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Nope, its an Pure IRIS-T just with an Software Update