At some point, you have to accept that there’s something else going on with gaijin we’re not privvy to.
The kh-38mt debacle, the pre-nerfing of the new sam’s. Somethings up.
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I very roughly cobbled something together to see, it may not be perfect but the missile stats are pretty much those of the 120C-5, just on a SACLOS missile.
Max speed at 7.75s
Capped:
Uncapped:
Minor differences are due to saclos guidance, not the best choice in the end. Map is also on seemingly fairly high density (higher drag) setting, so it’s especially not reaching the speed cap (also shown on MatAWGs video for a low drag scenario, aka desert map). The speed cap does nothing here.
Can’t really test range super well, but it’s very likely not doing 25km.
Spoiler
Might refine it a bit tomorrow, but likely the speed and range cap does nothing, because it simply is never reached anyway.
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SACLOS likely does a pretty bad job for compairing in this case cuz the normal missiles have a loft profile which should help with speed and energy retention, something the SACLOS missiles dont have.
As for the speed cap, it might play a more significant role in longer range and/or higher altitude shots where the missile climbs into thinner air and is less affected by drag but remains limited by the hard speed cap. Could be wrong tho.
Thanks for testing anyways!
From a bit of playing around, seems that these minor saclos guidance corrections do cost a bit of energy, but not that huge either, so it still gives a decent image. Highest top speed seem to be reached actually when fired horizontally. I did 2 vertical launches (89°) and they both topped at 2555kph (= ~710 m/s). I don’t think any way really will make it go over 780 m/s, other than a map that has the ground height at high altitude to begin with (idk if such GRB maps exist even), or if you could shoot on the move.
Anyways, from MatAWG’s video using the real 120C-5, on a desert map, already showed the missile peaked at 2782kph, which is ~773 m/s. If it ever does reach the cap, it’s only very momentarily and by an insignificant amount probably.
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Like i said at this point we will just have to wait and see what gaijin cooks up
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/42TKQybSK2b2
I was looking at this IRIS-T SLM bug report that got accepted (even though it was a nerf) just to see if I could find similar sources as to what he used since it got immediately accepted. His report references the “Munitions Safety Information Analysis Center (MSIAC)” for NATO. I visited the site and it is a secure website so you can’t even get access without requesting access from a NATO ran website.
Coupling the restricted nature of this site with the fact that the person who submitted this report was banned from the forum in the past for posting classified documents, it seems a little weird to me that his report was immediately accepted and it is from a website that no one else can access.
It’s almost like he is using personal access to restricted sources to get his own bug reports accepted and Gaijin allows it because they can keep it confidential on the bug report site and it remains under the table.
Anyway, just trying to learn how to deep dive into Google searches to find any more sources. I don’t have much hope with how much has already been explored by everyone here.
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Would this be another secondary source for the speed? It doesn’t look promising at it appears to be a magazine and a lot of it is in hindi but I think it seems to be from an official government organization, the “Defence Research and Development Organisation” or DRDO for short.
It references the IRIS-T SLM on page 16 and at the end of the section it states that the IRIS-T SLM has a speed of mach 3 with “very short reaction times” lol.
Edit: It actually cites it’s source as this website.
I believe I have already seen this website rejected as a secondary source. Although, this is what the source requirements state, “expert” opinion publications, industry magazines etc. This source would seem to be an “expert opinion publication” or maybe even an “industry magazine”.
Seems so, their claim comes from a website called army-technology, I don’t know how trustworthy it is or if it can be used a secondary source. Maybe @Dontkev-psn knows something.
Yeah, I got excited about the first mention of a speed I found that I posted before checking if they cited their source. I edited my post with the army technology source.
Doesn’t count as a valid source.
Anyone can access the source he used. It’s a public document from DTIC.
Ahhh, ok. I tried searching for it on the MSIAC website itself because that was the only thing I thought I had to go on and that website itself is restricted. Thank you for the clarification.
i think they have intentionally nerfed it. just like how they have nerfed a lot of aircraft till they add more for other tt and balance it. i think they will buff the other spaa depending on their performances , who knows maybe if the entire playerbase plays really badly in the slm/new sams maybe they will BUFF it in the first week.
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you will be able to replicate that in war thunder with the slm. intercepting all kinds of munitions.
Does anyone know for sure if SLM has DL or command update in test server?
It had DL 100%
Ok. Thx. Trying to get that for CSSA5 and Gaijin said that was a new thing.
Lmao, can you link the report?
[DEV] FB10A should have dual guidance (ir + update command/saclo // Gaijin.net // Issues
FB-10A
IDK why somebody said SACLOS but it is essentially DL. Just that the other SPAA with ACLOS like ITO90M and Tor and Pantsir all got SACLOS for some reason. Here it should really be DL.
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