Sky sabre for some unknown reason had a big stat drop in december so iris-t now have pretty huge gap with every other 12.7 spaa.
Yeah it’s absolutely insane but for the first time other countries have some SPAA capable enough to engage CAS. The Pantsir KH38MT combo was so oppressive, because it combined the strongest SpAA with the strongest CAS. While the gap in the spaa department for sure is there rn it doesn’t feel as oppressive, because Germany lacks the best CAS
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Now i just get nuked by AH64s on the same team as the IRIS T launchers xD , there’s no balance here at all, it’s completely invalidated most high BR attack planes like the JH7A , tornadoes etc. U gotta work twice as hard for nothin
True LDIRCM helis are still certified bs but at least now they are much more spread out throughout the tech trees than before and specifically countries with super strong ground lineups (Germany, Sweden) don’t have access to them. I’m not saying the situation is great, CAS is still wildly unbalanced but it’s not as one sided between the tech trees as it was before
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It’s the only choice to have a chance to counter the IRIS on certain maps since it’s so broken.
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At least there’s that, though germany + USA, or Germany + USSR in one team just tends to take total air control extremely quickly then annhilate ground vehicles. I was always for fixing cas, decompression etc but this rn is just madness at top tier.
Lol when IRIS T is in my team I can actually use my JH7A quite well funnily enouhg.
Eh how’s it not one sided? If you don’t have Germany in your team, you’ll likely not be able to keep an effective CAS period.
Like I said , CAS before was pretty brutal even when it was just F16s n such kicking about.
Now though it’s ridiculous, I rarely see F16s now, though a lot of F18s and such.
Typhoon still sort of sucks for CAS compared to almost if not all similarly BR’d jets.
Ach, maybe I’m just fed up of them not actually balancing stuff and just hurling massive wrenches into the mix.
Yeah I know, I am saying that a lot of folks emphasise on the MI28, when the AH64 can just be as oppressive when it has a shield like IRIS T.
the new helis are pretty bonkers TBH though.
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Thats true, some combinations become extremely toxic super quickly
Because other than before best CAS and best SPAA are not in the same tech tree rn. Sure if the IRIS T is in the same team as good CAS itll be unfair but at least now the teams change. Before that it was just Pantsir+KH38MT every game. Now theres at least some need for another country to really rule the skies
I would say the problem here is actually the opposite - overpowered SPAA. It’s completely disproportionate, not just compared to real life, but even to common sense in gameplay terms. Sometimes almost half of the team is SPAA, which looks absurd and unrealistic.
On top of that, you have this 20-second respaun window, where players deliberately respaun SPAA to wipe out all aircraft as fast as possible within those 20 seconds, abusing respaun protection mechanics. The whole thing looks so ridiculous and pointless.
So this is not a CAS problem. This is an SPAA problem in this game.
If anything needs to be nerfed here, it’s SPAA, not CAS.
And yes - I 100% agree with the developers on this direction.
And this is only the beginning.
Just spawn a tank CASbro
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Spawn a tank, flank to their spawn and get several free kills before getting into your aircraft.
You’re talking as if I’m some all-knowing god who magically knows where every SPAA is, how many of them there are, and can freely switch between aircraft and tanks whenever I want. What kind of nonsense is that?
In practice, everything works completely differently. You either commit to playing ground vehicles, or you focus on earning points to spawn aircraft. You can’t do everything at once, and pretending otherwise just shows a lack of real gameplay experience.
Yes, I bet dozens of SLMs are at cap points brawling with tanks LMAO.
Tank players can’t freely switch between their tanks and AAs, tough luck.
Yes, commit to some SP earning by clearing their spawn out of AAs.
To spawn my Su-39, I need roughly 900 spawn points. Add another 200 for one more tank, and that’s about 1100 points total. By the time you reach that amount, half of the match is already over.
And if it goes like this: I respawn in a second tank, push to the enemy side, and wipe out all the SPAA, then the match is basically decided already. At that point, there’s no reason to go CAS at all.
That’s the whole point I’m trying to make. That’s what I’m talking about.
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So you’re upset because games end very fast, got it.
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Yes, you almost understood me correctly.
You don’t have enough time to take a second tank, push through, and destroy the entire first enemy line. In reality, you have two clear options:
Either you plan from the start to play tanks only until victory ,
or you farm spawn points until you die , then spawn CAS and finish the enemy using CAS only .
And what exactly is your complaint then? That you cant insta spawn CAS and ground pound with impunity from the start of the game?
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I don’t think neither of those are problems created by AAs.
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Here’s the thing though, Germany doesn’t really do any of that. Unless Germany gets paired with a nation with strong CAS, they just get stomped. Because the Tiger with PARS is complete Dreck in War Thunder. Iris-T works more as an “enhancer” to an already strong nations CAS than causing this problem.
LOL, Obviously, you’re not really in the topic then. The real problem is this:
You grind spawn points like an idiot. You get nervous. You wait. You kill 2–3 tanks just to get those 900 points to spawn an aircraft or helicopter.
You take off — and a missile immediately flies at you and shoots you down .
Or you fire at SPAA. Your missile hits the SPAA, but it has spawn protection. Your missile does nothing, and his missile kills you instead.
The result: you leave the battle , and the SPAA continues playing , after spending only 70 spawn points .
That’s the core of the problem.
So your complaint is that SPAA is able to do its job and you can spawncamp people? I agree that 70SP is too low for the new SPAA but id be really interested what kind of plane you fly where defending from spawn is not possible and your missiles do nothing.
If thats the plane you bring into IRIS T SLM territory then thats 100% on you
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