Which is explicitly not fixed*
Dunno? Because no one bothered closing it?
Well at least Japan, UK, China, France also don’t have better rounds. So there is still zero reasons to introduce better rounds for leo and abrams when they already have best rounds in game.
Ironically enough, in the sqb session I played a couple of days ago my 2A7HU tanked a hammer and 2 Kh38s with only 1 crew member death.
I also survived a direct impact from Kh38 in my M1A2T in normal RB in the weeks after the update.
Doesn’t mean the Kh38 is bad or fully inconsistent, but they do like doing funny stuff sometimes.
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With the current quality of damage models and server infrastructure pretty much everything does the funny from time to time but bigger warhead still generally means more consistent damage in this game
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Sure russia got them first, I was checking the update log and wasn’t a mention of Leclerc and Japanese MBTs but could be wrong there.
One google takes you to both the bug reports showing it and countless posts showing it.
on top of that, the dev blog from when they introduced them also shows them nerfing it
One google. Mig 29 Nerf? - #10 by J_ackal
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MiG 29's and Su 27's flight models
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shall I keep going?
they literally buffed it last year aka 2025 as it was underperforming so much.
It literally is underperforming compared to it’s in real life metrics.
It’s transonic drag is far, far too high , it overbleeds energy due to the Thrust vectoring still not being modelled on it right and it loses it’s range far faster than IRL as well.
It is artificially under performing.
Exactly? so everyone else has had reload buffs for years now, and this is the first actual buff russian vehicles have had?
Again, they’ve since stating that originally have began to change and model it in, seeing as the auto loader takes up the lower half as it too.
I am not saying it isn’t lofting, i am saying it isn’t lofting how it’s manuals say it should, It still is lofting quite clearly.
Just not correctly.
That I’d have to agree with you on, last I checked it also was only 35 which had em. though the su30 in game is a mix as far as I’ve seen.
same as the EF2000
Hmm reckon the folks I seen chatting about it must of been at it.
Aye I went through the list of what Flame has shared and said.
Aye realised that man.
While Flankers were underperforming and are now almost accurate (still lacking low speed performance and still overperforming at high speeds) and are a very good dogfighters now, the MiG-29, at least from my research, is actually slightly overperforming or is dead on with the charts.
I haven’t seen SEP lines chart for it irl, nor the lift boundary, only one limited to 24 degrees of AOA and sustained turn rate line. At 24 degrees of AOA it matches the chart dead on, while it’s slightly overperforming in sustained turn rate.
MiG-29 is a victim of everything else overperforming. Planes like F-15C or Su-27 are accurate or almost as good as they should be, while F-16s, F-18s and all deltacanards are overperforming.
Also I’ve heard all planes overperform at supersonic speeds by like 2x.
The problem is that deltacanards are unlikely to get nerfed and they are overperfoming the most, so nerfing other planes like F-16s or F-18s would just hurt the game. Nerfing should begin from Rafale down.
The bug reports you linked provide no evidence to their claims, that’s why all of them have been rejected. One that often reappears is about engine thrust, because in the manual it has 8300 kgf of thrust, not 6820 kgf, but it’s the thrust of an uninstalled engine. In the plane engines have what’s called a channel loss, because airflow is restricted by the intake, and it’s usually 15-20%, which checks out for the MiG-29.
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Same for me, the only thing i found was a reddit post comparing the 3 on the dev
Firstly i genuinely appreciate you actually putting up the sources, youre literally the first person to do so from what ive seen. But tbh the bug reports look not that great and Gaijin doesnt have the best track record when it comes to modeling flight models
Eh not really everyone with manual loading already had its reload times balanced against the previous reload time and now they just implemented the new ones without any balance changes so its gonna be interesting how that turns out
The autoloader model is ok its just extremely infuriating that the ammo belt part between the autoloader and the belt part in the turret is specifically modeled as external despite being very clearly internal literally next to the crew. Its just a bit questionable.
Im almost sure that there is no manual that specifically mentions lofing for the LMUR, the thread i linked only has videos from the conflict that shall not be named and no documents mentioning lofting compared to the plethora of AGMs that have accepted reports, linked first hand documents and video proof and still do not loft.
The EFT is still pretty much the same plane, SU30SM and SU35 not so much.
He’s locked in his thought that it is fair for all nations to get their best ammo just because some do.
Plenty of nations had already received their best darts, so does it mean US must get M829A4 or Germany DM73 ? I don’t think so.
2A4 is stuck with DM23.
M1 is stuck with M774.
So, why the hell Ariete gets to have DM33 at the same BR ?
Or Vickers with L26.
Preferential treatment, bias or just balance ?
Comparing things while using only a single metric in a vacuum never was a good idea.
Thanks for explaining my thoughts, because thats not at all what im thinking. I am aware that ammo is throughout the game used for balancing purposes but its getting quite obvious that the reason were stuck with those rounds at top tier is pretty much only russian inability to match those ammunitions offensive and defensive. The ammo is just part of the complaint that Gaijin is actively holding back and compressing top tier just so russia has representation for every type of vehicle in the top BR bracket no matter if the equipment is actually deserving to be there
I doubt nations like GB, Japan, China, France and maybe even Sweden/Israel just have better ammo lying around just waiting to be added.
GB does for the Ch3 TD, France would qualifiy for shard, sweden should be able to get DM53A1 and 63 i think just not 73/. No idea for Israel, Japan and China tho. And im not just talking about matching ammo, the almost more important part is that more modern ammo would specifically outclass ERA which mostly benefits the USSR
Other Challengers exist as well.
A round barely comparable to DM53 ?
Woah.
For their Strvs ?
Doubt.
I doubt they have anything else to offer.
More modern ammo = better pen = better spall
It’ll basically affect anyone.
So? Its not like every Leopard 2 or Abrams has to or could recieve new rounds
Im pretty sure that already got debunked and it is quite a bit better
How so? Only DM73 requires the increased pressure of the L55A1the others should be compatible
Not necessarily, a lot of the shells dont add significant pen, they add anti ERA tips which mostly affects China and russia
Just because they label it as not a bug, doesn’t mean it isn’t an actual issue. They label the Lelcerc armour, CR2 armour, and Abrams armour as not a bug.
The Mig29 FM got nerfed before it was first introduced and was only just fixed in 2025 right at the end of it.
They still have too much drag dude. They are not very good dogfighters at all, you’ve got the F16A sitting at 12.3 which is better, the F16 ADF (or whatever the 13.3 one is) block 15 which is better FM wise and has amraams.
THe SMT for example still is a bus to use.
It isn’t at all from any research I’ve seen it’ll pull the AoA but lose too much speed in the process.
It was patched so not as bad as it used to be but still nto right.
And 1 day, we will see the Anti ERA tip in game (cope)
Well get them once Gaijin adds the T14 and then theyll just say that Malachit ignores anti ERA tips
Most could, unlike the Challengers.
Yes, even French mains are saying it’s a DM53 competitor in the game.
As far as I know Sweden has it’s own rounds, so it begs a question if Sweden actually procured those.
That’s the thing, it has yet to be modelled alongside some of those rounds not being able to explode in case of a hit.
Doesnt necessarily mean that they would get it tho
Even if its just a DM53 then that would still be a DM53 in a 23 round rack on a 5 sec autoloader, not really weaker than an anti era tip or insensitive rounds
They do and never procured any other german rounds but neither did the italians procure any DM53 afaik or anyone but the US LDIRCM for 64Es, were way past what actually was procured for a vehicle, its just technical compatibility now
ERA is also not modeled the way it functions its just a flat modifier. Instead of trying to accurately potray the tips those rounds could just get a modifier when hitting ERA then it wouldnt even affect anyone else
Because of ?
DM53 equivalent fired every 5s isn’t anything special in the current top tier.
Arietes actually needed help, unlike 122s.
Not trying to accurately portray things led to WT being a buggy mess it is now.
No thanks.