It’s the only choice to have a chance to counter the IRIS on certain maps since it’s so broken.
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At least there’s that, though germany + USA, or Germany + USSR in one team just tends to take total air control extremely quickly then annhilate ground vehicles. I was always for fixing cas, decompression etc but this rn is just madness at top tier.
Lol when IRIS T is in my team I can actually use my JH7A quite well funnily enouhg.
Eh how’s it not one sided? If you don’t have Germany in your team, you’ll likely not be able to keep an effective CAS period.
Like I said , CAS before was pretty brutal even when it was just F16s n such kicking about.
Now though it’s ridiculous, I rarely see F16s now, though a lot of F18s and such.
Typhoon still sort of sucks for CAS compared to almost if not all similarly BR’d jets.
Ach, maybe I’m just fed up of them not actually balancing stuff and just hurling massive wrenches into the mix.
Yeah I know, I am saying that a lot of folks emphasise on the MI28, when the AH64 can just be as oppressive when it has a shield like IRIS T.
the new helis are pretty bonkers TBH though.
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Thats true, some combinations become extremely toxic super quickly
Because other than before best CAS and best SPAA are not in the same tech tree rn. Sure if the IRIS T is in the same team as good CAS itll be unfair but at least now the teams change. Before that it was just Pantsir+KH38MT every game. Now theres at least some need for another country to really rule the skies
I would say the problem here is actually the opposite - overpowered SPAA. It’s completely disproportionate, not just compared to real life, but even to common sense in gameplay terms. Sometimes almost half of the team is SPAA, which looks absurd and unrealistic.
On top of that, you have this 20-second respaun window, where players deliberately respaun SPAA to wipe out all aircraft as fast as possible within those 20 seconds, abusing respaun protection mechanics. The whole thing looks so ridiculous and pointless.
So this is not a CAS problem. This is an SPAA problem in this game.
If anything needs to be nerfed here, it’s SPAA, not CAS.
And yes - I 100% agree with the developers on this direction.
And this is only the beginning.
Just spawn a tank CASbro
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Spawn a tank, flank to their spawn and get several free kills before getting into your aircraft.
You’re talking as if I’m some all-knowing god who magically knows where every SPAA is, how many of them there are, and can freely switch between aircraft and tanks whenever I want. What kind of nonsense is that?
In practice, everything works completely differently. You either commit to playing ground vehicles, or you focus on earning points to spawn aircraft. You can’t do everything at once, and pretending otherwise just shows a lack of real gameplay experience.
Yes, I bet dozens of SLMs are at cap points brawling with tanks LMAO.
Tank players can’t freely switch between their tanks and AAs, tough luck.
Yes, commit to some SP earning by clearing their spawn out of AAs.
To spawn my Su-39, I need roughly 900 spawn points. Add another 200 for one more tank, and that’s about 1100 points total. By the time you reach that amount, half of the match is already over.
And if it goes like this: I respawn in a second tank, push to the enemy side, and wipe out all the SPAA, then the match is basically decided already. At that point, there’s no reason to go CAS at all.
That’s the whole point I’m trying to make. That’s what I’m talking about.
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So you’re upset because games end very fast, got it.
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Yes, you almost understood me correctly.
You don’t have enough time to take a second tank, push through, and destroy the entire first enemy line. In reality, you have two clear options:
Either you plan from the start to play tanks only until victory ,
or you farm spawn points until you die , then spawn CAS and finish the enemy using CAS only .
And what exactly is your complaint then? That you cant insta spawn CAS and ground pound with impunity from the start of the game?
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I don’t think neither of those are problems created by AAs.
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Here’s the thing though, Germany doesn’t really do any of that. Unless Germany gets paired with a nation with strong CAS, they just get stomped. Because the Tiger with PARS is complete Dreck in War Thunder. Iris-T works more as an “enhancer” to an already strong nations CAS than causing this problem.
LOL, Obviously, you’re not really in the topic then. The real problem is this:
You grind spawn points like an idiot. You get nervous. You wait. You kill 2–3 tanks just to get those 900 points to spawn an aircraft or helicopter.
You take off — and a missile immediately flies at you and shoots you down .
Or you fire at SPAA. Your missile hits the SPAA, but it has spawn protection. Your missile does nothing, and his missile kills you instead.
The result: you leave the battle , and the SPAA continues playing , after spending only 70 spawn points .
That’s the core of the problem.
So your complaint is that SPAA is able to do its job and you can spawncamp people? I agree that 70SP is too low for the new SPAA but id be really interested what kind of plane you fly where defending from spawn is not possible and your missiles do nothing.
If thats the plane you bring into IRIS T SLM territory then thats 100% on you
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The Pantsir was never this oppressive but at all man.
The new radar systems and ability to whip up a little screen and just click to launch makes it even easier than pantisr.
While it was the best SPAA in the game without doubt I still don’t believe it was anywhere near as brutal as this.
Pff beyond toxic man, throw that in there with the reload buffs on the T-64/80 series of tanks it’s brutal af at top tier.
been using the chinese 12.7 (Vt4A1, VT4 , WZ1001, ZBD IFV, JH7A and j8B for cap) and it’s been games over in under 2 minutes. Like I’ve played a lot of high BR / top tier and this RN is insane. I now see more T80Us’ than I do T80BVM, or T90M lol it’s bonkers.
Neither needs nerfed nor buffed to be better than the other dude, it’s supposed to be balanced lol.
These helis as much as I’ve bickered with folks over which one is more oppressive between AH64 and MI28 , both are ridiculously strong.
The spaa @H_ngma Is correct when saying there are other trees with extremely strong SPAA, none quite stand out like the IRIS - T but the gaps not as stark as when it was Pantsir VS ADATS, for example.
Not how it works at all.
You know as well as I do that the teams which tend to have 2 or 3 SPAA up also tend to have total aerial superiority and you’ll get nuked long before getting to their SPAA, though nice when it does happen.
Uhm, If you commit to playing the ground vehicles then you can spawn the cas dude?
I would not spawn the VT4 with the sole intention of spawning the JH7A.
for high BR’s you certainly can do more than just focus one of those two things…
His statement of you can’t do both is just factually wrong, if a CAS user, and I’ll speak from experience here, wants their plane.
They should focus on one or two spawns (best focusing on doing it in one) , focus one flank and cap if there are 3 caps, if not one flank and cover it.
Then when they die, spawn in a plane, heli etc whataver they feel like.
900 for the Su-39? what?
I’m for the JH7Awith 4 KH29Ts, 2GBUs and 2 PL5s I think I got on it rn am barely 800
Not at all true.
for top 799-878 12.3-10.3
For me, it usually goes one of three ways:
either I play a tank, kill enemies, and go all the way to the end until victory;
or I farm spawn points and then take CAS;
or, in the worst case, I don’t manage to farm the points, die early, and leave immediately.
Maybe not in a vacuum but compared to the stuff it was facing and in tandem with the KH38MT while everyone else had to make do with laser guided munition and mavericks it was 100% more oppressive plain and simply due to both of these being from the same tech tree. Sure the SLM is a big upgrade over the other SPAAs but Germany changes teammates and needs them to get the offensive air power. russia could do both on its own.
The T80U was on sale, wasnt it? Probably that and people grinding for the BMPT
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I find what we have now substantially more oppressive across the board.
it was no where near as strong as this, plus when an actual reliable platform that had KH38s was added we had platforms which countered it extremely easily.
Spawning close air patrol was always my goto over SPAA.
All trees have offensive air power now as well though? sweden lacks an AH64 Heli but still has great cas in the gripens and the F18s.
as of right now, in my experience so it’s not gospel / fact.
There are substantially more fixed wings and helis up on which ever side has the IRIS - T.
You can’t compare its effect with pantsir at all man, the pantsirs 20km range was extremely specific and you could easily avoid it in every single top tier platform, even harries.
The pantsir couldn’t whip up a little radar screen, launch out over 16 missiles if it wanted to, re-arm, and do it all again without even having to identify a target properly.
Germany may not be as good as say USA or USSR for top tier cas, but it’s not hugely lacking either. You’ve got the F18 there, the tornado (which granted is the worst of the bunch) and the 2 eurofighters, which granted don’t have fire and forget but I’ve seen even them get kills with GPS guided bombs now.
The T80U-E1 was yeah, but I am also seeing swarms of the T80U, the reload buff will generally make folks gravitate to it as it now has an okay dart with the fastest reload of any russian MBT.
Technically it’ll out do the BVM now firepower wise as the 3BM46 isn’t that much worse than 3BM60.