what statement is there to attack.
to claim you need IRIS-T to deal with F-5E in Tornado cant be logically countered. youre putting yourself in massively disadvantageous position.
the argument is to simply not get into such position. F-5E will never catch you, it can only beat you in dogfight.
I would accept that thats still better odds than against the F-5
Maybe… But I still dont think its the smart move at this time. Moving the ASSTA 1 (3) up would be a terrible decision. So Id instead suggest adding something new instead like:
would at least add other buffs like the Boz-101 ECs (recently added to the MLU Ret 8 in a slightly different form)
But even then, I think its better off going for 12.3 and Aim-9Li than 13.0+ with IRIS-Ts.
Im on the fence on the GR4 about whether Id want it to get ASRAAMs. (Unless I can get a second GR4, so the 12.3 one still exists)
No. But we need a separate vehicle with AIM-9L(I). Dunno why Gaijin decided that only Britian is allowed to have upgraded Tornadoes, beyond just standard British favouritism.
What?
Germany gets the only Tornado with ASMs
Germany gets the only premium Tornado
British Tornado Gr1 has weaker engines for “reasons”
Britain has favouritism for them adding our Tornado IDS “late” at partial strength
Tbf the asm tornado is an event pane
Yeah, but they have stated multiple times that other Tornados like the Italian ones that also operated AS-34s wont get them because they are an exclusive to the MFG for now (even though theyd be the easiest addition in the world with both the radar and loadout fully ready to go on the same airframe). Likewise Britian probably wont expect sea eagles anytime soon either.
That is annoying, if i had to guess its probably to keep the weapons test platform priemium from getting it so theres a reason for the mfg to exist
Probably, but still unfair on the other Tornados
I agree
Still annoyed that in todays world i cant just have fun in a game without people claiming your bad and toxic bs
no one says you cant have fun; however you are making a claim and you need to be prepared to defend it. When there is little to no logic or evidence behind your claim, of course people will judge the claim based on how well you understand game and its balance. In this case, you dont understand it too well, so why should people agree with you that tornado needs IRIS-T to deal with dogfights, when anyone more experienced will simply advise you to not dogfight in tornado?
IRIS-T is the nuclear option for problems that actually affect every ground attacker in game right now.
All ground attackers. Doesnt matter if its a WW2 heavy bomber all the way up to some of the high BR options like the GR4, Mirage 2K RMV or JH-7A have the same issues, ARB is designed to be bad for ground attackers. In every single respect.
You could try ASB, they work quite well in that gamemode, but the issues affecting ARB have a chance of being resolved. I dont see any possibility of the ASSTA 1 getting IRIS-T
I thought it would be an interesting topic, and i figured the the a-10 was one of the first planes to get the AIM-9M and i figured the tornado assta is in a silimar situation, the f-5 seemed like a fair plane to bring up there are also mig-21s, and mig-23s, and f4’s that you cant always run away from you are a sitting duck even in 10.7 its a bit less preasure in full down tier and not every plane has to be competitive. But having some form of irccm (aim-9Li or IRIS-T) would actually let ypu consistantly* defend yourself while still flying a garbage can
And in a full up teir you see 29s, hornets, and Tomcats…
It wasnt, that was the F-16C. A-10C was added a year later.
so why not suggest the 9M/9Li first and go for IRIS-T right off the bat?
you did not mention 9M/9Li in your original post in relation to A10 whatsoever.
also difference is, A-10 is much slower than tornado, thats why IRCCM missiles arent as big of an issue on it.
exactly. not every plane, such as ground pounder tornado, has to be competetive in A2A. While it is nice and dandy you want to defend yourself, do you realize Tornado getting IRIS-T at 11.7 or even 12.3 as you originally suggested would completly screw over the 10.7/11.3 planes? You would make entire BR range uncompetetive in order to “be able to defend yourself” in a tornado in a dogfight.
Its harder to prove it had access to AIM-9Li, and isnt it good nagotiation to start with high offer and come down?
A) would be better to start with perfectly reasonable proposition and back it up with some data instead of making outrageous suggestions that wouldnt fit within the game balance whatsoever, in order to gain support of other forum users
B) youre not negotiating, were discussing. We have no power to change things. You can only gather support of other players for your idea.
You are certainly allowed to go and try to negotiate with gaijin on the issue. Just let me know beforehand so i can make popcorn and go watch it lmao.
why not ask around people who know about german tech first? theres lot of them on these forums.
Its hard to really say if it would tbh, yes you’d be able to ape an assta one like a free kill, but there are better options at 10.7 that would still ruin your day and in my and that statement is even mor valid if it gets moved to 12.3, im willing to concede that 13.0+ would probably be better. but im not 100% certain that would run lobbies 10.7 or 11.3 and that would be a full upteir which tbh most things struggle in full uptier