Well, there was an implication we already have a TT starting from rank V (Israel) that requires some nation to be previously researched to rank IV/V to unlock it…
You probably missed the point
Rank IV to be precise, and the tree has the potential to hold ranks I-III as well should gaijin choose to add it. (In my personal opinion we should not have tech trees that are unable to support full ranks, and all trees should support ranks 1-9 off the bat ingame)
The problem with an Iranian Tech Tree is that its Air Tree would be horribly small all the way through with hardly any early rank options and extremely thin bare bones lines. A nation cannot survive as an independent tree ingame if it cannot support both Air and Ground trees with multiple lines each. Although it can possibly support a full Ground Tree, Iran cannot support a proper Air Tree of its own. To this reason, it should not be expected for the game anytime soon unless nation implementations change beyond independent trees and subtrees. I see this becoming a Subtree at some point, and I don’t ever seeing it becoming independent.
yo bro fair point about the maus being built and tested ngl but wt already has tons of paper vehicles and prototypes like the ho-ri or r2y2 lol so qaher fits perfectly as an event or premium even if it only had taxi tests tbh. and about the israel thing yea i get it they start at rank 4 but thats literally because israel didnt exist in ww2 lol iran actually has a real ww2 and early cold war history with m3s m4s t34s and chieftains skipping all that is a huge waste and ruins the low tier experience starting at rank 1 is the right way to go if ppl want the unique stuff they can just grind to it fr
yo bro i get the israel comparison but thats exactly my point lol israel starts at rank 5 because israel literally didnt exist during ww2 so they had no early tanks or planes but iran actually existed and had m3s m4s t34s and chieftains during ww2 and early cold war saying we should skip all of that just because israel does it is literally missing the whole point iran has a real low tier history why throw it away fr and forcing ppl to grind a whole other tree just to play iran is a terrible mechanic anyway
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yo bro u actually make a valid point about the air tree being thin but thats exactly why we came up with the regional ecosystem idea in our proposal we literally included 5 sub-trees like syria iraq yemen lebanon and afghanistan plus shared trees like pakistan and cuba to fill the gaps so iran acts as a hub instead of just being alone this way the air tree actually has enough planes to survive and its way better than just making it a sub tree fr
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A regional tech tree sounds awesome, I’d love to see a full suggestion for that put together as I’m a big fan of middle eastern military history.
Does a suggestion for this exist already, and do you have a link if so?
Both are now unobtainable since replacements got added. Then again I have no idea what reasoning allowed the F-15IA to be added since iirc it hasn’t even had partial construction. For now I would caution on paper vehicles.
Well since the last message I found a video showing the UAV version taking off the Shahid Bagheri. If it’s still planned to carry weapons, it could be added, though more likely as a SP drone in GRB like the MQ-1 or Wing Loong I.
Well Israel can get ranks 1-3 in both air and ground, Gajin just decided not to. This is also more possible thanks to Greece and possibly Cyprus (can’t fully remember if the Marmington car would be in that rank range).
I can agree on this, it certainly did no favours to the Israel tree and probably wouldn’t for any other tree. I do however understand if people don’t want to go through lower tier Iran (I’m not sure if there’s any domestic made or modified stuff that goes that low).
yo bro here is the full proposal we put together for the 3-phase approach and the regional ecosystem. it focuses on unique and upgraded variants to avoid pure copy paste and includes specific armaments to show the depth. let us know what u think o7
phase 1 and 2 the main iranian tree:
ground forces:
rank 1-2 reserve br 2.3 t26 t28 m3a1 stuart m3a3 stuart m5a1 stuart t34 1941 t34 85 syrian su76m m8 greyhound m3 half track
rank 3-4 br 3.0 to 5.7 m4a1 sherman m4a3e8 sherman m24 chaffee m36b1 jackson m18 hellcat fv101 scorpion m47 patton tiam m48 patton t54 syrian t55 syrian iraqi type 59 iraqi type 69 i iraqi amx 13 iraqi su 100 syrian
rank 5-6 br 6.0 to 8.3 m60a1 m60 samsam era 105mm apfsds chieftain mk 3 shir 1 chieftain mk 5 shir 2 t 62 syrian t 72m iraqi syrian t 72m1 iraqi syrian t 72av turms t syrian bmp 1 iraqi syrian bmp 2 btr 60 boragh safir 74 105mm apfsds t 72z t 72 rakhsh zulfiqar 1
rank 7-8 br 8.7 to 11.7 zulfiqar 2 zulfiqar 3 125mm apfsds karrar 125mm autoloader era t 90 syrian asad babil iraqi lion of babylon al kafil 1 iraqi t 80ud pakistan shared al khalid pakistan shared t 62 cuba shared
spaa zsu 23 4 shilka zsu 57 2 syrian m163 vads tor m1 pantsir s1 syrian herz 9 majid zubin azarakhsh bavar 373 rapier
aircraft:
rank 1-2 reserve br 2.0 hawker fury hawker hurricane p40 warhawk p47d thunderbolt f4u corsair b25 mitchell a26 invader
rank 3-4 br 3.0 to 5.7 spitfire p51 mustang t6 texan il28 syrian tu16 badger iraqi
rank 5-6 br 6.0 to 8.7 f4d phantom ii f4e phantom ii rf4e f5a f5e f6 mig19 f7m mig21 mig15 mig17 mig21bis syrian mig21mf su20 su22m3 m4 mirage f1 iraqi hunter fga9 iraqi
rank 7-8 br 9.0 to 12.7 f14a aim54a aim7 f14am fakour 90 mig29a su24 su25 iraqi syrian mig23ml syrian mig25 iraqi su35 incoming jf17 pakistan shared mirage iii pakistan shared
helicopters:
ah1j seacobra ah1j international mi24v iraqi mi24p syrian mi8mt mi17 ch47c chinook shahed 285 hesa shahed 278 ah1e f cuba shared
naval surface vessels:
bluewater moudge class jamaran class damavand class alvand class bayandor class sina class hamzeh class parcham class
coastal ghadir class kaman class thondor class osa class iraqi komar class syrian tareq class
phase 3 the regional ecosystem sub trees
to fill the gaps and bring in players from all over the region iran acts as a hub for 5 sub trees and 2 shared sub trees
1 syria t72av turms t type 69 ii al kafil 1 pantsir s1
2 iraq t72m1 type 69 qm2 bmp 2 mig29
3 yemen t62 t80bv btr60 premium event
4 lebanon m113 t55 bmp1 premium event
5 afghanistan m113 t55 bmp1 premium event
shared sub trees pakistan with china cuba with russia
why this works for gaijin
1 its realistic by phasing it out they dont have to model 100 vehicles on day one
2 the sub trees fill the br gaps and reduce the dev workload
3 it brings in players from across the middle east and beyond
we have the full document with all the details ready we just need to push for this and make it happen fr iran definitely deserves a full tech tree o7
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yo bro fair enough about the paper vehicles but tbh gaijin literally added the f15ia and that thing is just a drawing lol so qaher is way more real than that since it actually taxied and exists 💀 plus making it an event vehicle means it won’t ruin the main tree anyway.
and about the low tiers yea i get what u mean about not wanting to grind copy paste but look at china bro half their tree is just soviet stuff and it still works fine plus iran has actual local mods even at lower tiers like the tiam m47 or the safir 74 upgrades so its not just stock vehicles fr. u cant just start a tree at rank 5 with zero experience thats why the lower tiers are necessary even if they look similar to other nations at first glance o7
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no they have multiple stuff for rank 1-3
2-3 different T-34-85s, a BTR-152 as an 1.0 anti air and the Mormon can easily be added
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yo bro fair enough i forgot about the captured t34s and btrs they used in 1948 lol but thats exactly my point israel’s low tier is just a bunch of random captured stuff from that one war while iran actually had a real organized military during ww2 with m3s m4s and t34s as standard issue bought directly from the us and uk its a totally different situation and gaijin skipped israel’s low tier literally just because they wanted to focus on the unique mods like the m51 which is fine but iran actually has a proper historical lineup for rank 1-3 so skipping it would be a huge waste fr
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That’s the Cypriot stuff, Israel used multiple aged stuff in the start as they didn’t have money for better equipment
Wasn’t it under Soviet command?
Israel has too, specially with the addition of Greece/Cyprus
this proposal is 2 years old but i believe it can be improved to became even better Israeli early Ground forces (rank 1-2-3)
but still even if its alone like that its a huge plus
yo bro chill with the history lesson lol iran was occupied for a bit in ww2 but they were never a soviet puppet they had their own independent army and generals and they bought those m3s and m4s with their own money plus they literally kept using those same tanks for decades after ww2 ended we are just talking about the vehicles for the game not rewriting a history book
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i am not saying anything, i am just saying a nation like Iran that didn’t do a lot in ww2 has the same if not less stuff like Israel that didn’t exist or Greece that had a way bigger involvement
all this is without Greece/Cyprus, because Israel didnt exist in ww2 that doesn’t mean a lot
ur missing the whole point again lol gaijin doesnt care about who did more in ww2 they literally added israel who didnt exist and sweden who was neutral so that logic makes zero sense and about iran not doing much in ww2 britain literally starved half the population to death and left the rest broke af so what did u expect them to do lol they actually had m3s m4s and t34s in their army whether u like it or not we already listed a full lineup for rank 1 to 3 and greece is probably just gonna be a sub tree for another nation anyway fr
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How the hell the argument “they had no army before dd/mm/yyyy” is even an argument when it comes to TTs?
A country, its army or whatever had a vehicle, a distinct vehicle, in possession and usage that conforms to rules of addition to the game. Period. That’s all it takes to have a vehicle, the nation operator and so on.
The only reason why I’d skip ranks 1-3 or even 4 for Iran is to avoid as much of a copy-paste as possible. I don’t mind individual vehicles be added over time for ranks 1-3/4, but it can very well just start at rank 4/5 to avoid clone wars from get go.
yo bro i get u want to avoid copy paste but ruining an entire faction just to skip 2 ranks of it is literally dumb if ppl want the unique stuff they can just grind for it thats the whole point of the game lol and bro look at the israeli rank 1-3 pic that other guy posted earlier that thing is literally 99% american and british copy paste with zero unique mods 💀 iran actually has unique stuff even at low tiers like the tiam and samsam but israel literally doesnt so if gaijin is fine with israel being pure copy paste then iran is definitely fine since we have actual unique mods plus the sub trees like iraq and syria to fill the gaps so starting from rank 1 makes total sense
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It already is, currently 14 vehicles in the Israel tree.
Tiam is absolutely not rank 1-3 material, same with Samsam (both are put at rank 6 in this tree suggestion).
You’d need to find tanks and ground vehicles that were modified or local made like the Zachlams and L-33 Roem in the Israel rank 1-3 concept.
Tiam and Samsam are upgrades of the M47/Type 59 and M60A1, so they would be rank V minimum. You don’t have to like Israel low tier, but you clearly don’t have any good examples for unique Iranian vehicles we could add below rank IV either.
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yo bro fair enough i misspoke about the tiam and samsam being low tier lol my bad those are rank 5-6 obviously but that wasnt my point my point is that iran can easily fill the low tiers with imported m3s m4s and t34s exactly like china did where half their tree is copy paste and nobody complains plus we have the regional sub trees like iraq and syria to fill the gaps so having some shared stuff at rank 1-3 is perfectly fine fr
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