Both are now unobtainable since replacements got added. Then again I have no idea what reasoning allowed the F-15IA to be added since iirc it hasn’t even had partial construction. For now I would caution on paper vehicles.
Well since the last message I found a video showing the UAV version taking off the Shahid Bagheri. If it’s still planned to carry weapons, it could be added, though more likely as a SP drone in GRB like the MQ-1 or Wing Loong I.
Well Israel can get ranks 1-3 in both air and ground, Gajin just decided not to. This is also more possible thanks to Greece and possibly Cyprus (can’t fully remember if the Marmington car would be in that rank range).
I can agree on this, it certainly did no favours to the Israel tree and probably wouldn’t for any other tree. I do however understand if people don’t want to go through lower tier Iran (I’m not sure if there’s any domestic made or modified stuff that goes that low).
yo bro here is the full proposal we put together for the 3-phase approach and the regional ecosystem. it focuses on unique and upgraded variants to avoid pure copy paste and includes specific armaments to show the depth. let us know what u think o7
phase 1 and 2 the main iranian tree:
ground forces:
rank 1-2 reserve br 2.3 t26 t28 m3a1 stuart m3a3 stuart m5a1 stuart t34 1941 t34 85 syrian su76m m8 greyhound m3 half track
rank 3-4 br 3.0 to 5.7 m4a1 sherman m4a3e8 sherman m24 chaffee m36b1 jackson m18 hellcat fv101 scorpion m47 patton tiam m48 patton t54 syrian t55 syrian iraqi type 59 iraqi type 69 i iraqi amx 13 iraqi su 100 syrian
rank 5-6 br 6.0 to 8.3 m60a1 m60 samsam era 105mm apfsds chieftain mk 3 shir 1 chieftain mk 5 shir 2 t 62 syrian t 72m iraqi syrian t 72m1 iraqi syrian t 72av turms t syrian bmp 1 iraqi syrian bmp 2 btr 60 boragh safir 74 105mm apfsds t 72z t 72 rakhsh zulfiqar 1
rank 7-8 br 8.7 to 11.7 zulfiqar 2 zulfiqar 3 125mm apfsds karrar 125mm autoloader era t 90 syrian asad babil iraqi lion of babylon al kafil 1 iraqi t 80ud pakistan shared al khalid pakistan shared t 62 cuba shared
spaa zsu 23 4 shilka zsu 57 2 syrian m163 vads tor m1 pantsir s1 syrian herz 9 majid zubin azarakhsh bavar 373 rapier
helicopters:
ah1j seacobra ah1j international mi24v iraqi mi24p syrian mi8mt mi17 ch47c chinook shahed 285 hesa shahed 278 ah1e f cuba shared
naval surface vessels:
bluewater moudge class jamaran class damavand class alvand class bayandor class sina class hamzeh class parcham class
coastal ghadir class kaman class thondor class osa class iraqi komar class syrian tareq class
phase 3 the regional ecosystem sub trees
to fill the gaps and bring in players from all over the region iran acts as a hub for 5 sub trees and 2 shared sub trees
1 syria t72av turms t type 69 ii al kafil 1 pantsir s1
2 iraq t72m1 type 69 qm2 bmp 2 mig29
3 yemen t62 t80bv btr60 premium event
4 lebanon m113 t55 bmp1 premium event
5 afghanistan m113 t55 bmp1 premium event
shared sub trees pakistan with china cuba with russia
why this works for gaijin
1 its realistic by phasing it out they dont have to model 100 vehicles on day one
2 the sub trees fill the br gaps and reduce the dev workload
3 it brings in players from across the middle east and beyond
we have the full document with all the details ready we just need to push for this and make it happen fr iran definitely deserves a full tech tree o7
yo bro fair enough about the paper vehicles but tbh gaijin literally added the f15ia and that thing is just a drawing lol so qaher is way more real than that since it actually taxied and exists 💀 plus making it an event vehicle means it won’t ruin the main tree anyway.
and about the low tiers yea i get what u mean about not wanting to grind copy paste but look at china bro half their tree is just soviet stuff and it still works fine plus iran has actual local mods even at lower tiers like the tiam m47 or the safir 74 upgrades so its not just stock vehicles fr. u cant just start a tree at rank 5 with zero experience thats why the lower tiers are necessary even if they look similar to other nations at first glance o7
yo bro fair enough i forgot about the captured t34s and btrs they used in 1948 lol but thats exactly my point israel’s low tier is just a bunch of random captured stuff from that one war while iran actually had a real organized military during ww2 with m3s m4s and t34s as standard issue bought directly from the us and uk its a totally different situation and gaijin skipped israel’s low tier literally just because they wanted to focus on the unique mods like the m51 which is fine but iran actually has a proper historical lineup for rank 1-3 so skipping it would be a huge waste fr
That’s the Cypriot stuff, Israel used multiple aged stuff in the start as they didn’t have money for better equipment
Wasn’t it under Soviet command?
Israel has too, specially with the addition of Greece/Cyprus
this proposal is 2 years old but i believe it can be improved to became even better Israeli early Ground forces (rank 1-2-3)
but still even if its alone like that its a huge plus
yo bro chill with the history lesson lol iran was occupied for a bit in ww2 but they were never a soviet puppet they had their own independent army and generals and they bought those m3s and m4s with their own money plus they literally kept using those same tanks for decades after ww2 ended we are just talking about the vehicles for the game not rewriting a history book
i am not saying anything, i am just saying a nation like Iran that didn’t do a lot in ww2 has the same if not less stuff like Israel that didn’t exist or Greece that had a way bigger involvement
ur missing the whole point again lol gaijin doesnt care about who did more in ww2 they literally added israel who didnt exist and sweden who was neutral so that logic makes zero sense and about iran not doing much in ww2 britain literally starved half the population to death and left the rest broke af so what did u expect them to do lol they actually had m3s m4s and t34s in their army whether u like it or not we already listed a full lineup for rank 1 to 3 and greece is probably just gonna be a sub tree for another nation anyway fr
How the hell the argument “they had no army before dd/mm/yyyy” is even an argument when it comes to TTs?
A country, its army or whatever had a vehicle, a distinct vehicle, in possession and usage that conforms to rules of addition to the game. Period. That’s all it takes to have a vehicle, the nation operator and so on.
The only reason why I’d skip ranks 1-3 or even 4 for Iran is to avoid as much of a copy-paste as possible. I don’t mind individual vehicles be added over time for ranks 1-3/4, but it can very well just start at rank 4/5 to avoid clone wars from get go.
yo bro i get u want to avoid copy paste but ruining an entire faction just to skip 2 ranks of it is literally dumb if ppl want the unique stuff they can just grind for it thats the whole point of the game lol and bro look at the israeli rank 1-3 pic that other guy posted earlier that thing is literally 99% american and british copy paste with zero unique mods 💀 iran actually has unique stuff even at low tiers like the tiam and samsam but israel literally doesnt so if gaijin is fine with israel being pure copy paste then iran is definitely fine since we have actual unique mods plus the sub trees like iraq and syria to fill the gaps so starting from rank 1 makes total sense
Tiam and Samsam are upgrades of the M47/Type 59 and M60A1, so they would be rank V minimum. You don’t have to like Israel low tier, but you clearly don’t have any good examples for unique Iranian vehicles we could add below rank IV either.
yo bro fair enough i misspoke about the tiam and samsam being low tier lol my bad those are rank 5-6 obviously but that wasnt my point my point is that iran can easily fill the low tiers with imported m3s m4s and t34s exactly like china did where half their tree is copy paste and nobody complains plus we have the regional sub trees like iraq and syria to fill the gaps so having some shared stuff at rank 1-3 is perfectly fine fr
yo bro about the greece sub tree fine whatever good for them but look at the rank 1-3 pic you posted earlier it literally has stock shermans and amx13s in it and bro zachlam is literally just an m3 halftrack with a missile and the l33 roem is just a sherman with a big gun 💀 those are just field mods not some super unique indigenous design you guys are literally proving my point that imported stuff is perfectly fine for low tiers lmao your whole argument just fell apart
My point wasn’t about imports, it’s the fact all your listed vehicles just don’t have any modifications contrary to the concept posted by Pipimer (China also falls short in this regard as there should be several more low tier aircraft and ground units China either domestically made or modified).
Quite a few people have voiced issues about China low tier. Again it could’ve been much more unique but a lot of it’s domestic vehicles and mods were missed so most of what is unique in it’s trees is only because the manufacturer lacks it (Vultee planes, T-26 Model 1933 etc).
Quite a lot of people complain about China actually, they were arguably the biggest point of copy paste in this game before Israel and all the subtrees started coming in. In China’s case however, both the PLA and ROC have a lot of modifications and whatnot we can add to make the lower tiers more unique, however Iran doesn’t really have anything like that to my knowledge.
Syria has a small handful yes, but nowhere near enough to outnumber the copy paste that would have to be added alongside it for low tier. I think Iraq as a subtree is actually a neat idea though since it looks like relations with Iran are OKAY nowadays.
Either way, excluding low tier is by no means an insult to Iranian representation in War Thunder, and I’m sure many people still support the tree starting rank IV or V and up.
