Before the 120mm Abrams got the reload buffs, the IPM1 and M1A1 made sense both being 11.0. as M1A1 had the better round, and IPM1 had the better reload. Now however, with 120mm armed Abrams having the same reload as their 105mm counterparts, it doesn’t make sense to have these 2 MBTs on the same battle rating. There is another problem, America has no 10.7 vehicles to pair with their A-10 (Late) and A7E Corsair ll both being 10.7 for GRB. Lowering the BR of the IPM1 to 10.7 would make sense, as it would give America a 10.7 vehicle to take out with these aircraft and address the disparity in performance between M829A1 and M900, as M829A1 is vastly superior in penetration and Post Penetration damage, Thank you.
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It wouldn’t.
The IPM1 used to be 10.7 at one point and was moved upwards for good reasons. It absolutely stomped everything when it was 10.7, and I do mean stomped:
I’d be fine with it moving down to 10.7 if it lost M900 and was reduced to using M774 or M833 only, as it’d basically be a Leopard 2A4 but slightly better at everything.
The IPM1 with M900 was doing just fine at 11.0, the M1A1 receiving M829A1 did not magically make the IPM1 perform worse.
It doesn’t.
Damage is virtually identical, penetration is lower but still more than enough, especially given the reload rates of around 5.3 seconds.
Unless the IPM1 loses M900, I think the M1A1 is more deserving of moving up to 11.3 than the IPM1 going down to 10.7. But this also gets into the fact that top-tier is overly compressed.
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“One of these tanks got buffed, so the other should go down in br” wouldn’t it make more sense if the m1a1 went up in br?
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thunderskill is not a proof.
With 8K battles as it’s sample size, it’s decent enough.
Besides, my IPM1 was rapidly climbing to a 70%+ winrate, 6 - 1 K/D as well. It’d be awfully coincidental if both my own experience and that of 8K others lined up but weren’t actually true.
The thing simply was ludicrously overpowered at 10.7.
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1- Thunderskill is anecdotal evidence about player skill, not vehicles.
So not sure why you’re citing player skill in a topic about a vehicle.
2- @DragonRider699 IPM1 is fine at 11.0.
Both.
Buffing the M1A1 didn’t make the IPM1 worse, its still as great as it was before. Doesn’t need moving down.
Nope, has nothing to do with vehicles.
Weird of you to accuse Thunderskill developers of lying… does that mean you’ll stop using Thunderskill since you think they’re lying?
The M1IP should be reduced in BR simply because the m1a1 is better than it. It’s not like the ip has some benefits over the a1. However, due to the tanks that it will face at 10.7, it would be too powerful. Though I’m curious why the tanks that are 10.7, are 10.7? Yeah, you sacrifice mobility, reload, gun depression, but in return you get excellent armor and gun.
Bringing in win rates/kd shouldn’t even be a discussion. This tank isn’t tainted with the low level players.
That would mean the m1a1 moving up, not the ipm1 moving down.
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So the T-80U-E1 is the same BR as a T-80U dispite the U-E1 having a superior turret traverse.
Does that automatically mean the T-80U should move down to 11.0?
See how flawed that reasoning is?
No dude, the IPM1 and M1A1 are the same in every way except gun. the IPM1 has a worse round, and the same reload. T90m and T80BVM can’t be moved because 11.7 is highest BR, and T80BVM is not equal to the T80U, better in almost every way. You’re saying it should stay the same when there is a gap in Americas ground forces, 10.7, and the IPM1 is a good fix to it. Simple logic. Give it M833 if you really want to cry about how good the Abrams was at 10.7. Some turret traverse difference is not a big deal. Firepower disparity is.
Having to choose between M1A1 and IPM1 to spawn isn’t a competition, M1A1 is better. Moving the IPM1 down isn’t going to change much, it will still see 11.7 regularly, and the occasional down BR to 9.7/10.0. The IPM1 performed well previously at 10.7 because of all of the premiums around like TURMS/2S38/Leopard 2 PzrBT. You don’t change BR on player skill level its vehicle disparity, and the Gun performance on the IPM1 is worse, it’s just a fact, having a 105 at 11.0 is tragic, bad spalling, meh pen, Same reload as M1A1.
I would say T90a and IPM1 would be equal at the same BR. T90a has better gun, thermals, and armor, While IPM1 has better mobility in all respects. America has 0 10.7 tanks, its not game changing to move IPM1 to 10.7, they can always change it back if its stomps, but it won’t, because all Abrams are easy to kill.
Just like the T-80U-E1 and T-80U are the same, except the T-80U-E1 has a faster turret traverse.
Sometimes vehicles that are marginally worse/better than eachother are at the same BR, and that’s fine because the BR they’re at is the one most appropriate for them both.
And you think the IPM1 is equal to a T-90A or in any way deserving of going down to 10.7 in it’s current state?
Almost every nation in the game has a gap at 10.7, it’s not a big deal anyways.
But yes, I’d be fine with the IPM1 going 10.7 with M774 or M833 as it’s top round. I’d also really like to see the Leopard 2A4 C technologie /w DM33 as a counterpart. I don’t understand why Gaijin is taking so long on that thing.
The difference in penetration is also not noticable.
Both vehicles aim for the same spots on the tanks they face, I’ll take the turret traverse over some unnoticable increase in penetration any day of the week.
The turret traverse is essentially the only thing that the T-72B3 had over the T-80U, now the T-80U-E1 completely nullifies the T-72B3’s existence.
But notice how I’m still not demanding the T-72B3 goes to 11.0 because of that.
No, it performed well because it was horrendously overequipped for the vehicles it faced.
It was a Leopard 2A4 on steroids with practically the same matchmaking, it dumpstered anything at it’s BR without breaking a sweat, including any other non-premium.
No, M1A1 HC, AIM, and Clickbait are better than the M1A1. America has no 10.7 vehicles, so it makes perfect sense going down. .3 lower is not a big difference, it will still fight relatively the same vehicles, just a change to get 9.7. I bet if I said t90a should move up because it stomps everything, everyone would lose their minds. T90a makes mincemeat out of Abrams MBTs with 3BM60. IPM1 being 10.7 with ZTZ96a lll, and T90a would not break the game.
Hence why I said it would be too powerful at move it down. The max br needs to be raised because so that the ip can be at a lower br than the a1 along with a plethora of br changes to other vehicles . that was the point of me saying that
is that what you got out of reading my reply? I just said that it would be too powerful if the ip gets moved down in br currently. My entire point of saying this is because that the max br doesn’t allow for this change to occur. It needs to be raised.
the t80u should be of a lesser br than the eu1 however that is not possible due to the max br currently
T-80BVM has significantly worse armor than T-80U.
The only thing objectively negative about T-80U is turret traverse and ammo.
IPM1 is fine at 11.0.
All you’ve done is prove T-90A should go to 11.0 as well.