The fuse to all these hustle and bustle is not important 🤔 I don’t think your community like this comment
True, but Gaijin has already stepped on other toes for the sake of gameplay and/or history. It would be much better if they were consistent in game factors > personal feelings or personal feelings > game factors. Not listening to some groups on how they feel, while ignoring others. From right here: see Singapore. S’poreans pretty overwhelmingly don’t want to be in CN, nor do CN players want them.
Gaijin is already doing that with the widespread copypasting of vehicles under any excuse (trials, technical links, historic links, they will find any reason to do so as they need). This cannot be stopped without ending copypasting.
An Independent India tree will suffer the Israeli problem: early tiers will be either nonexistent or all copied. India was VERY late to the game of doing distinct stuff. Nobody wants what will be until high-mid to high tier a second British tree. It’s utterly awful from a gameplay perspective. India and South Africa were directly spelled out as being with UK due to historic dominion ties, and the same applies to SK in JP. (In fact, some really awful things happened in India under UK rule, and SA was conquered by force. JP not being nice to Korea doesn’t really cancel things.)
For one or two vehicles, no. But there is a very huge historic grudge here between CN and JP that would have been an issue the more CN stuff ends up in JP hands (and vice versa). Thailand doesn’t really offer enough to JP to solve this. The whole argument was ‘fix high-tier JP CAS options’ but SK fixes that even better than Thailand does.
Others should be, but I am more concerned about how to repair the China vehicle.
Speaking of: spall liners, reload adjustment, DTC-10 buff and simple implementation of the softkill countermeasure on 99 series would be a good start.
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The basic problem stems from each community having their own specific worldviews - very much guided by histories and biases. To a non-Chinese observer (waves hand) it appears like the CN playerbase is incredibly thin-skinned, hyper-sensitive and totally at odds with how the rest of the world view them.
HOWEVER.
My country has not been historically invaded and nor was it’s population brutalised by a foreign power in the past 1000 years. I have that intellectual luxury, but many other nations do not.
If the shoe were on the other foot - I would imagine that would taint my view of history even in something as mundane as a video game. How could it not?
TLDR - Remove all nations from the game and make them into fake ones.
I vote Britain becomes Narnia.
Russia can be Elbonia.
The French can be…no, I won’t go there.
I live in an ASEAN country, and I don’t understand why BVVD is always trying to find a suzerain for ASEAN. Please, this is no longer the colonial era. ASEAN countries are sovereign states, not vassals of anyone. Thailand is a sovereign country, as is Singapore! Please respect the independent sovereignty of ASEAN countries.
Creating an ASEAN tree is necessary now. Rome wasn’t built in a day, and neither should yours!
BVVD, please abandon your outdated colonial mindset!
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This is a good suggestion. Another reason why I’ve consistently opposed the inclusion of the VT-4 in the Thai subtree—and one that most players also find off-putting—is the use of political stickers. For example, adding stickers like the rising sun symbol to a Japanese vehicle to create so-called “politically sensitive” symbols (such as the 731 Unit with rising sun stickers).
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Good point, I actually agree. Independent ASEAN will be worse than this. Copy-paste is inevitable true, but there must be steps to mitigate this.
Commonwealth ties or simply invaded. Two distinct reasons.
Okay so you’re taking the feelings don’t matter route. I can’t say I fully agree but alright for consistency sake.
The problem with that is you really can’t forcefully seperate people and emotions. Throwing a tantrum worked. Worked last time for the global economy changes. Since this reply is kind of a nothing burger I’m not sure to say it worked now, we’ll see further on.
They wanna throw a tantrum and it worked? fine, I can do the same. Both of us shouldn’t? Didn’t stop them, why should it stop me?
You’re right but then there’s the question of whether Gaijin even consider Korea for Japan because of the potential backlash from the Koreans? I don’t know. No one but Gaijin knows.
That when a nation folder needs to come in, if we can’t escape from political conflicts, maybe nation folder can mitigate nationalism.
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Here we are again, as usual, making comparisons with Italy.
Please, don’t bring up other tech trees you don’t even play in this mess.
The Ariete has been struggling for years with an armor setup that’s more of a developer invention than reality: 80mm of “air.” There are multiple accepted bug reports that question this reconstruction, while the actual armor layout remains classified. The Ariete uses composite armor, not spaced armor.
Then there’s the so-called 5-ton war kit, which in practice provides almost no real protection but still weighs as if it did. Please stop discussing things you haven’t experienced directly.
The Italian tree has been subject to repeated nerfs and questionable treatment for years (R3, Sagittario, Centauro, Leo with the 40mm, and so on). If this had happened to any other nation, we’d be seeing a much bigger reaction than the current debate over this export tank and an handful of pending fixes for the Chinese tanks or planes.
The Italian community has always been respectful of the system and of how to engage through the official communication channels, and above all it has shown a certain decency and fairness in interactions—something that is clearly missing in this whole discussion, both from Gaijin’s side and from the players in general.
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Would definitely help but how much of an extent… can’t say for sure, especially when fake nations resemble so much, people just see past the fake names and identify with each original.
My country was. Twice by 2 different empires. Within 100 years. I’m guessing I passed that goalpost?
You have a point that the issue is a difference in perspectives. We can try to understand each other but there comes a certain point when things become irreconciliable or unreasonable.
Even if they cannot understand my point of view, In absolute fairness, what gives them the right to dictate the vehicles of other countries? Why should Thailand be a victim and punished for their problems with other countries? Is this reaction not reasonable?
Chinese players can hate Japan all they want. But when it comes to a point where other countries are undermined and catching strays, that’s not only selfish, it’s inconsiderate and disrespectful. Their issues should stay between them and not disturb others, period. Unless somehow this is an unreasonable take.
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Yeah I support the implementation of nation folders especially if it solves everyone’s problems.
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And as with this tank, Germany willingly sold it to those countries, so they own it, operate it, and so should get it.
I don’t see why you’re trying to bring politics into a game. Thailand operates it, so they should get it. It’s that simple.
Yeah i don’t care.
If China doesn’t want it’s vehicles anywhere else, then i don’t want vehicles from the rest of the world to be in Chinese tree. Their tree would be nothing without copypaste so they shouldn’t be crying about it.
Also funny how Imperial Japanese flag has been removed from the game all together for absolutely 0 reason.
If that’s how it goes, then i want PRC’s flag to be removed as well and replaced with ROC.
It’s either we apply the same logic to all countries, or to none. No double standards.
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You still don’t understand the whole picture, the Chinese aren’t focusing on the VT4 thing at all, its just that one is the only thing the stupid section of the Chinese community understands. The outrage from the majority of the Chinese community(the reasonable side) is on the long and continuous mistreatment of the Chinese tech tree, but I’m afraid Bvvd’s response has left them disappointed and enraged.
This is so much larger than some export vehicle placement issue.
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They own it, they should get it, but is that reason to put leopards in other TT’s? They definitely could’ve opened up another subtree for Germany holding some export tanks, or just add more collapsed vehicles.
Not only that, but why does China need a sub-TT to begin with?
If Gaijin stopped being lazy towards minor nations, we wouldn’t have these issues to begin with.
China can be one of the biggest nations in the game (content wise). They have by far the most vehicles left to add.
Gaijin has completely ruined top tier because of all the premiums that have been added over the years, all these top tier vehicles cost an INSANELY amount of money. There is NO WAY, that Gaijin can’t afford to model these vehicles to begin with.
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I don’t see why not, as long as they get more than just those Leopard 2s. Some export vehicles are just that good.
True. Copypaste is absolutely flooding the game and i am sick of it.
Sure there are cases where it’s necessary, but surely it’s not to this extent.
Top tier content has been watered down so much i don’t even bother playing it at all, while low tiers are slowly but surely following close behind with nothingburger additions like finnish sub tree, M44, M55 and M109 that no one ever asked for.
I feel like it’s just absolutely insulting that Germany gets copypaste low tier SPHs with so many various domestic vehicles that could be added instead.
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The focus was never on the VT4 in the Japanese TT.
At first it nobody minded, but someone noticed the position of the autoloader on the VT4 was correctly modeled instead of being too low on the original ones, and then someone also found the old VT4s didn’t get the fix, this all sparked an outrage on how the game has been giving the Chinese TT too many double standards.
In the end, the issue slowly shifted to being all political since that’s the simplest explanation that most players can understand, which is totally not true.
So you see, the Chinese community is not to blame, the Japanese are not to blame, nobody aside from trolls and those biased devs are really at blame here.
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