This is a good suggestion. Another reason why I’ve consistently opposed the inclusion of the VT-4 in the Thai subtree—and one that most players also find off-putting—is the use of political stickers. For example, adding stickers like the rising sun symbol to a Japanese vehicle to create so-called “politically sensitive” symbols (such as the 731 Unit with rising sun stickers).
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Good point, I actually agree. Independent ASEAN will be worse than this. Copy-paste is inevitable true, but there must be steps to mitigate this.
Commonwealth ties or simply invaded. Two distinct reasons.
Okay so you’re taking the feelings don’t matter route. I can’t say I fully agree but alright for consistency sake.
The problem with that is you really can’t forcefully seperate people and emotions. Throwing a tantrum worked. Worked last time for the global economy changes. Since this reply is kind of a nothing burger I’m not sure to say it worked now, we’ll see further on.
They wanna throw a tantrum and it worked? fine, I can do the same. Both of us shouldn’t? Didn’t stop them, why should it stop me?
You’re right but then there’s the question of whether Gaijin even consider Korea for Japan because of the potential backlash from the Koreans? I don’t know. No one but Gaijin knows.
That when a nation folder needs to come in, if we can’t escape from political conflicts, maybe nation folder can mitigate nationalism.
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Here we are again, as usual, making comparisons with Italy.
Please, don’t bring up other tech trees you don’t even play in this mess.
The Ariete has been struggling for years with an armor setup that’s more of a developer invention than reality: 80mm of “air.” There are multiple accepted bug reports that question this reconstruction, while the actual armor layout remains classified. The Ariete uses composite armor, not spaced armor.
Then there’s the so-called 5-ton war kit, which in practice provides almost no real protection but still weighs as if it did. Please stop discussing things you haven’t experienced directly.
The Italian tree has been subject to repeated nerfs and questionable treatment for years (R3, Sagittario, Centauro, Leo with the 40mm, and so on). If this had happened to any other nation, we’d be seeing a much bigger reaction than the current debate over this export tank and an handful of pending fixes for the Chinese tanks or planes.
The Italian community has always been respectful of the system and of how to engage through the official communication channels, and above all it has shown a certain decency and fairness in interactions—something that is clearly missing in this whole discussion, both from Gaijin’s side and from the players in general.
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Would definitely help but how much of an extent… can’t say for sure, especially when fake nations resemble so much, people just see past the fake names and identify with each original.
My country was. Twice by 2 different empires. Within 100 years. I’m guessing I passed that goalpost?
You have a point that the issue is a difference in perspectives. We can try to understand each other but there comes a certain point when things become irreconciliable or unreasonable.
Even if they cannot understand my point of view, In absolute fairness, what gives them the right to dictate the vehicles of other countries? Why should Thailand be a victim and punished for their problems with other countries? Is this reaction not reasonable?
Chinese players can hate Japan all they want. But when it comes to a point where other countries are undermined and catching strays, that’s not only selfish, it’s inconsiderate and disrespectful. Their issues should stay between them and not disturb others, period. Unless somehow this is an unreasonable take.
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Yeah I support the implementation of nation folders especially if it solves everyone’s problems.
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And as with this tank, Germany willingly sold it to those countries, so they own it, operate it, and so should get it.
I don’t see why you’re trying to bring politics into a game. Thailand operates it, so they should get it. It’s that simple.
Yeah i don’t care.
If China doesn’t want it’s vehicles anywhere else, then i don’t want vehicles from the rest of the world to be in Chinese tree. Their tree would be nothing without copypaste so they shouldn’t be crying about it.
Also funny how Imperial Japanese flag has been removed from the game all together for absolutely 0 reason.
If that’s how it goes, then i want PRC’s flag to be removed as well and replaced with ROC.
It’s either we apply the same logic to all countries, or to none. No double standards.
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You still don’t understand the whole picture, the Chinese aren’t focusing on the VT4 thing at all, its just that one is the only thing the stupid section of the Chinese community understands. The outrage from the majority of the Chinese community(the reasonable side) is on the long and continuous mistreatment of the Chinese tech tree, but I’m afraid Bvvd’s response has left them disappointed and enraged.
This is so much larger than some export vehicle placement issue.
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They own it, they should get it, but is that reason to put leopards in other TT’s? They definitely could’ve opened up another subtree for Germany holding some export tanks, or just add more collapsed vehicles.
Not only that, but why does China need a sub-TT to begin with?
If Gaijin stopped being lazy towards minor nations, we wouldn’t have these issues to begin with.
China can be one of the biggest nations in the game (content wise). They have by far the most vehicles left to add.
Gaijin has completely ruined top tier because of all the premiums that have been added over the years, all these top tier vehicles cost an INSANELY amount of money. There is NO WAY, that Gaijin can’t afford to model these vehicles to begin with.
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I don’t see why not, as long as they get more than just those Leopard 2s. Some export vehicles are just that good.
True. Copypaste is absolutely flooding the game and i am sick of it.
Sure there are cases where it’s necessary, but surely it’s not to this extent.
Top tier content has been watered down so much i don’t even bother playing it at all, while low tiers are slowly but surely following close behind with nothingburger additions like finnish sub tree, M44, M55 and M109 that no one ever asked for.
I feel like it’s just absolutely insulting that Germany gets copypaste low tier SPHs with so many various domestic vehicles that could be added instead.
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The focus was never on the VT4 in the Japanese TT.
At first it nobody minded, but someone noticed the position of the autoloader on the VT4 was correctly modeled instead of being too low on the original ones, and then someone also found the old VT4s didn’t get the fix, this all sparked an outrage on how the game has been giving the Chinese TT too many double standards.
In the end, the issue slowly shifted to being all political since that’s the simplest explanation that most players can understand, which is totally not true.
So you see, the Chinese community is not to blame, the Japanese are not to blame, nobody aside from trolls and those biased devs are really at blame here.
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I do wish to believe what you wrote when it comes to players motivations, but this topic has one too many examples of the opposite.
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They are good, definitely. But that also simply kills the speciality of the German top tier lineup
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Nation folders are love, nation folders are life
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Focus include VT-4, as the current issue that plague this game is not 1, but 3.
1.) Sabotage of the Thai tech tree by one community’s voice being taken in favor over the other, and extremely bad faith communication from the dev. No statement, no nothing, so we dont even know how to move on from this point w/o continuing the flame war.
2.) Extremely ridolous suggestion of adding a sub-tech tree to Chinese tech tree, which seems to be against the wishes of not only the other community, but the Chinese community as well.
3.) Sabotage by Gaijin to the Chinese tech tree due to ignoring bug report
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Of course, as I explained there are people who are just in over their head with this, but it all started with the autoloader position.
There will always be mindless trolls in every community, the Chinese one is no different, it is truly regrettable that they are getting mis represented on such a scale
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I honestly dont blame the Chinese community for it outrage for the Thai VT-4 issue, its understandable, but in my perspective extremely selfish. What I am upset is the lack of professionalism by Gaijin to make any statement, either we bury this hatchet, and they set a new precedent on how to deal it, and maybe how they would compensate (as in what they will add instead) to the Thai sub tech tree. But noo ofcourse no statement, just corporate goalposting to another goalposting.
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