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Will Gaijin ever give the JH-7A its PL-11 and other radar-guided missiles? Don’t hold your breath, that’s never going to happen
Sometimes I think they should do and adaptive battle rating system based on the modifications equipped to the vehicle
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just like the Su-39 will never get its r-27 or r-77
To the Chinese player base: Singapore or Thai for China means you will need to wait for another 5 years or more to get J15, J16, J10C, or having 99A fixed. Instead you will get copypaste leopard, and other nato stuffs which you probably already had for many years now :)
Mig 29 is certainly better than jh7a in air to air that’s apples to oranges comparison
They won’t get radar-guided missiles, yet they have flare-resistant infrared missiles as early as BR 11.3.
because the Su-25 is sub-sonic, just like the A-10
Will gaijin ever give the Harrier its correct thrust vectoring, gunsight and thermal signature?
Will the T10 premium get missiles it actually used instead of 9L?
Will the abrams get full DU inserts for the hull?
Will the F5 ever get wing drag?
Will Saab BOL countermeasures be unnerfed?
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dosent matter bc those vehicles arent chinese
Clearly as they arent chinese there is no issues with them, only chinese vehicles have problems. china suffers guys
exactly
Yet it sits at 11.3
I understand. That’s precisely why we must demand that Gaijin prioritize fixing Chinese vehicles first. Adding Singaporean vehicles to the Chinese tech tree is nothing but a smoke bomb from Gaijin—it’s purely meant to stir up internal conflict among us players, distracting everyone from the real issue we should be rallying behind: fixing all the problematic Chinese vehicles.
实际上将新加坡载具加入中国阵营并不是中国玩家想要的结果。继续扩散豹2坦克并没有增加游戏的可玩性，对想要更有可玩性的中国载具的中国玩家并没有任何帮助。
中国玩家想要的是更加公平的对待，何为公平？并不是让中国载具拥有超出其他国家载具的能力，我们都会觉得这样很可笑。
事实上中国玩家想要的公平是让游戏中的中国科技树能够给玩家提供合理的游戏体验。比如最近的cm502kg，很明显和本版本另外两个射后不管导弹相比，这种导弹效能明显低得多，但z10me和另外两款载具一样都提升了0.3 BR，这就是不公平。中国有威力更大的长射程射后不管导弹，却只能使用一个仅能对轻型车辆造成威胁的“鞭炮”，这就是不公平。要么不要提升0.3 BR，要么给z10me一个值得提升0.3 BR的武器。
在以上两个选项中，我们更希望见到的其实是后者。因为没人希望在最顶级的对抗中落后于他人。长期以来中国科技树都落后于游戏方式的转变：在Pantsir-S1统治顶级对抗的防空体系长达1年之后，中国科技树才有了略弱于Pantsir-S1的CA/SA5。同时irst迅速地再次改变了空地对抗的体系，下一个版本俄罗斯科技树就获得BUK-M3，却没有给中国科技树HQ-16（gaijin甚至不需要改变多少BUK-M3的参数，就好像中国的其他载具一样，这不需要多少工作量）
另一个最显著的例子是作为世界上最强大的两支空军，美国空军和中国空军在游戏中甚至没有一台aesa雷达。美国玩家不得不使用1980s的F-15E去对抗2020s的Rafale C F3，中国玩家使用的则是1990s的J-10A。那么F-15EX和被实战证明能够对抗Rafale C F3（如果说不是具有碾压性优势的话）的J-10C在哪呢？
让我们回到陆地上，作为中国陆地最重要的主战坦克，ZTZ99A的防崩落内衬至今没有添加到游戏中，而相关的issue已经通过很长时间了。
至此我们可以看见直升机、防空武器、飞机和主战坦克，gaijin表现出了对中国特色载具的轻蔑。现在gaijin想通过简单地复制一个豹2坦克到中国科技树中让中国玩家满意，这是根本不可能的。
最后简单地评价一下warthunder中的中国科技树：中国玩家很容易接受的事实是中国失去USSR的帮助之后，在冷战后期和冷战结束之后的很长一段时间内落后于世界先进水平。而在新世纪之后，中国的军事水平经历了迅速的发展。通过引进、模仿学习和在新技术上的突破，PLA成为了最强大的军队之一。
但是在gaijin的游戏中，我们看到的是整个8.0~11.3的中国科技树通过提早使用晚出现20~30年的载具获得了相当高的强度，却在最高的battle rating因为游戏迟迟不加入现实中早已存在的载具和武器的原因,只能使用较弱的载具。这个科技树就是一个完全的错误。
In fact, adding Singaporean vehicles to the Chinese tech tree is not the outcome Chinese players desire. Continuing to proliferate the Leopard 2 tanks does not enhance the game's playability, nor does it offer any help to Chinese players who are seeking more playable Chinese vehicles.
Chinese players want fairer treatment. What defines fairness here? It does not mean granting Chinese vehicles capabilities that surpass those of other nations—we all agree that would be absurd. Instead, the fairness Chinese players crave is a reasonable gameplay experience provided by the Chinese tech tree in the game.
Take the recent CM-502KG missile as an example: compared to the other two fire-and-forget missiles in this update, its effectiveness is significantly lower. But Z-10ME, like the other two vehicles equipped with those superior missiles, received a 0.3 BR increase. That is unfair. China has more powerful long-range fire-and-forget missiles. But Chinese players are forced to use a “firework” that only threatens light vehicles,that’s simply unfair. The solution is clear: either refrain from the 0.3 BR increase, or equip the Z-10ME with a weapon worthy of such an increase. Between these two options, the latter is what we truly hope for—no one wants to fall behind others in top-tier battles.
For a long time, the Chinese tech tree has lagged behind the changes of gameplay meta:
- After the Pantsir-S1 dominated the top-tier air defense system for a full year, the Chinese tech tree finally got the CA/SA5, which is slightly inferior to the Pantsir-S1.
- Meanwhile, IRST (Infrared Search and Track) quickly reshaped the air-to-ground combat meta again. In the next update, the Russian tech tree will receive the Buk-M3, but the Chinese tech tree is denied the HQ-16 (Gaijin wouldn’t even need to change the Buk-M3’s parameters much—just like with other Chinese vehicles, this would require minimal effort).
Another striking example: as two of the world’s most powerful air forces, the U.S. and Chinese air forces in the game lack even a single AESA radar-equipped aircraft. American players are forced to use the 1980s F-15E against the 2020s Rafale C F3, while Chinese players make do with the 1990s J-10A. So where are the F-15EX and the J-10C—proven in real combat to counter the Rafale C F3 (if not possess a crushing advantage)?
Let’s turn to ground forces. As China’s most important MBT, the ZTZ-99A still lacks the spall liner in the game, despite the related issue being reported long ago.
From helicopters and air defense weapons to aircraft and MBTs, Gaijin’s contempt for Chinese-specific vehicles is evident. Now, Gaijin expects Chinese players to be satisfied by simply copying a Leopard 2 into the Chinese tech tree—which is utterly impossible.
To conclude with a brief assessment of the Chinese tech tree in War Thunder: Chinese players easily accept that after losing Soviet support, China lagged behind the world’s advanced level in the late Cold War and for a long time after its end. However, in the 21st century, China’s military capabilities have advanced rapidly. Through imports, imitation, learning, and breakthroughs in new technologies, the PLA has become one of the most powerful militaries globally.
However, in Gaijin’s game, we see that the entire Chinese tech tree from BR 8.0 to 11.3 gains high strength by prematurely introducing vehicles that appeared 20-30 years later in history. Yet at the top battle ratings, due to the game’s failure to add long-existing vehicles and weapons, players are forced to use weaker units instead. This tech tree is a totally wrong.
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i might as well talk to a wall
i already explained, if you arent able to understand, then iam sorry for you
it has IR missile jammers. thats the only reason its higher than the warthog
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You can submit an Issue for them.
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