Information Regarding the Thai Subtree and Chinese Vehicles

I do agree with you that Israel needs a sub-tree more than China does, though as i mentioned in my reply, I don’t believe we can meaningfully supplement the tree with enough unique vehicles for gaijin to see it as a feasible option. I am still fine with SG in Israel tree, however there could be potentially better options which bring more diversity (as gaijin calls it) and “unique playstyles” for israel… i have seen options on the forum such as turkey and chile, as well as egypt and other suggestions before, though i am not in a position to judge how good additions they are since i have no knowledge. Singapore would work for israel, but since most of the air tree would be the same pretty much, it would probably be a waste since most of our aircraft would be unlikely to be represented, apart from maybe the hunter, strikemaster and F-5 family. For ground forces there are a handful of additions that could be potentially useful, though other sub trees could probably achieve a more useful and more diverse addition.

Israel is currently very sparse and does require a subtree a lot before china does, but seeing as gaijin is fixed on adding a subtree to every minor nation, it seems china will get its subtree first, whether we like it or not. If this is the case i do think we would achieve more singaporean representation inside the chinese tree. While we do add a few options to middle ranks (of israel), i doubt it will have enough meaning to the higher ranks for gaijin to consider it, considering both air and ground subtrees are always implemented. Gaijin does not tend to spend resources if they are going to add a vehicle (eg. RSAF F16D) with almost identical weapon payload and performance to the tech tree counterpart, and so its probably unlikely we will see any appearance of any of our modern aircraft, with even the F-15SG becoming unlikely in the shadow of both the F-15I and IA. Gaijins focus with subtrees tends to focus on higher ranks from my observations, and we would not make a difference in that regard.

Chinese players largest concern from what i understand is that sg would be added as a quick fix solution, ignoring all of their concerns about vehicle performance and bug reports, as well as domestic solutions, which is a big issue, not just for china, but many other nations too, such as maybe the french tree, which is being bloated with benelux vehicles instead of domestic options (i may be wrong, please correct me if i am). The post released by gaijin seems to carry the tone suggesting that SG would be some sort of quick fix for china, so it is understandable that chinese players are not happy with such a proposal. I too believe that china should get its fixes before a subtree is even considered being added.

Israel has been in a desperate state since its release in terms of vehicle variety, and i firmly think that a different nation would provide it more variety, which is what gaijin tends to seek. I’m glad we can have a respectful exchange, they seem to be sparse around these parts :)

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The Chinese government are ok with Taiwan having the VT4 but not a hand full of players? Iwonder if those same players crying only play Chinese vehicles or if they’re ok with using other country’s vehicles seems a bit hypocritcal if they compiling about another nation getting an export tank CHINA sold to them but use other nations tanks

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I can’t agree with this more. We don’t need the values presented in the document, we just want something to stand out.

Currently the Chinese MBTs have slow reload, sub par pen, and a huge lower glacis that almost garantees ammo racking all at the same time. And tbh, I’d be content if they could shake one of these off and give the Chinese sth to be special about, not just make the Chinese top tier a debuffed version of the Russians

Just quoting this ROCA Major here, not my words.

Not being unique doesn’t mean it’s not worth making a fuss over. If the leopards are getting mistreatment, I also fully support a movement for that, hell, why not mix the two and make everyone talk about both of them?

if we are pulling irl values then its upto 750mm of armour @ 0 degrees…

at 2km

oh im sorry… thats just

DM63

DM73 has a 20% increase in performance over DM63.
so lets put it into the formula

750*20%=150
750+150= 900mm of armour @ 0 degrees @ 2000m

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I can kinda see wouldnt be practical for game balance lol

Thanks

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during my many seconds of research
there are 2 types of DM73.
the second one is AKA KE2020Neo and the 900mm figure is for that

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Do you have the specs for the Chinese APFSDS shot?

They are classified, What gaijin does is take a known penetration figure then uses that as a benchmark to massage estimates into fitting with that bench mark*, do keep in mind that 60 degree figures do not equal line of sight penetration.

*mostly, other times they base of a older shell. And sometimes they just pull something out of their ass

Of course, then the 577 is just as irrelevant to the real figure as the 850 on the document. What reason made them give the Chinese 577? The Chinese MBTs don’t have exceptional armour or a fast autoloader, this just doesn’t add up at all.

They are better tho, they got the balls to speak up and have their voice heard when they don’t like how they’re getting treated.

As I said, there was a report that estimated that the penetrator should be a bit longer than it’s currently believed to be, but that was closed because the only source was some online picture.

Even with a generous guess for the penetrators length you wouldn’t really cross 600mm

why should we care about u then, if you only think of urself
if u were to care about everyone, then everyone would remind that you are to care too

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sounds abt right

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i dont see a VT-4

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Let’s not forget the post about how the Abrams chassis couldn’t handle additional weight

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“We have documents showing at least five test Abrams were fitted with DU armor. Which is more than what we have for the Yak-141 getting a radar, RWR, and missiles. We also have documents showing an increase in weight of the tank, but we have decided not to give it the better armor. Have a slightly better reload speed that will later become pointless because of a turret basket module nerf we absolutely have to add right now because we can’t delay it like we can with FCS modules we added to Russian and Chinese tanks.”

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“The increase in weight is obviously five tons of radio equipment”

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And crew.

Fat Us crew stored too much burger in Abrams.

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