Yes exactly. And I hope that non-chinese players can better understand this
Very well then. You remove all Chinese vehicles from the foreign tech trees and remove foreign vehicles from China as well
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As there is no reason to withhold the Thai VT-4 from the Japanese tree.
But, for at least France and Sweden, they have their vehicles in other trees. Unlike China. Whose mains threw a fit (as shown by the existence of this article before anyone says ‘when’) at the prospect of a foreign export vehicle in another tree.
“Tis for thee, but not of me” type stuff. Its ridiculous!
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I don’t care about VT-4 for Japan TT as long as it’s marked Thai and not added during V-J day.
as Chinese national and Chinese main I do not want Singaporean vehicles in China TT.
i.e. I do not want yet another Leopard 2A4 copy or F-15 copy in another tree. If they do this now F-15 and Leopard for China the next thing they will do is Su-27 for Japan and T-64/72/80/84/90 for USA or Germany. What’s the point of Nation-based techtree mechanism again Gaijin?
What we need is Gaijin to actual fix China’s own vehicles ingame and stop infuriating both sides when millions of other better options are available.
I don’t need to point out how many suggestions for Pakistani or (DPR, I don’t care about Ro and political stuff might make it inappropriate too) Korean vehicles are already existing on this forum.
Also either remove T-84’s BTA4 or give it to the T-80UD/BE aswell. BTA4 integration into 2A46 is a Pakistani modification not Thai.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/u1eWnPupv39Y
Dear Gaijin: Your “information” remains a farce as long as this bug report remains “aCcEpTeD” instead of actual fix implementation.
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It was DTC10-125 that got leaked
Bud, please do some research. You’ve totally misunderstood the source of the Chinese community’s outcry, it was never only about VT4 in the Japanese TT.
The whole thing was initially about the autoloader position on the Japanese VT4 being correct despite them all being too low on the other Chinese MBTs (including VT4 variants).
Please go to the original official announcement in the Chinese forum. Go look at some of the more liked and longer replies (those tend to be more sensible) with the aid of GPT or google translate, like this one:战争雷霆团队致中国社区的一席话 - #10 by 这个版本中系强国了吗
We recognize the sufferings of the other TTs, and they have our sympathies. If they decide to join us we’d happily welcome them with open arms and add their issues to our big list.
Your engagement is most valuable, your spirit is admirable, but please try a bit harder to be more well informed. I thank you for your concern and frequent activity in this topic.
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The Germans once occupied France, the Soviets and other allied forces occupied Germany, if the British Raj can be pulled into this to bring a Chinese made and designed vehicle into the British Tech tree, why not add the Leclerc to the German one? or the Leopard 2 to the Soviets?
Either way, the other dude wasn’t making sense
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Yes, but the current situation is different. Frist Chinese players do not object to World War II-era Japanese vehicles either. And Gaijin has not added Israeli-made tanks to the German tree. Moreover, there is a distinction between Germany and Japan. Germany’s efforts in reflecting on the war are widely recognized, while Japan’s efforts fall far short. emmmm… Otherwise, it wouldn’t have provoked dissatisfaction among so many people.
I understand the perspective you’ve raised, but if someone claims that a certain region is independent, I believe I have the right to use legal documents to demonstrate that such a claim is incorrect. This expression falls within the scope of freedom of speech.
The point I want to emphasize is that respect is the foundation of neutrality. If you do not respect others, how can neutrality be achieved? If you wish to engage in friendly communication with Chinese players, you should either avoid talk or respect these facts. In fact, I also support the addition of the VT-4 to the Thai tree, as that is where it belongs. However, this should be done after a tech tree reorganization—either by merging the Japanese tree into a broader Pan-Asian tree or by placing Thailand and Japan on equal footing as separate trees, rather than as a main tree and a subtree. This would help eliminate many unstable factors instead of avoiding them.
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Everything born out of realpolitik will be observed only where realpolitik is enforceable.
I think, as far as consensus among the playerbase go, the best you can get out of this forum is likely that ROC and PRC are both part of China, and that is unlikely to change simply on account of realpolitik agreements between CCP and the US or even of what the UN thinks.
We don’t actually need a Singapore sub tree, we just want those passed issues to be implemented ASAP
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Like I’ve said before on this post as well as others, China is 1 of my main trees and I’d rather see options that China does actually have left to be added to come first before any subtree, I think subtrees should come to complement nations in need when it comes to lack of their own domestic content, China is in no such situation and still has a domestic counterpart for every vehicle Singapore would add to it for both air and ground. And if they really want to add a subtree that badly Singapore is a terrible idea for many reasons I won’t type here again, so consider countries China already has in their tree such as the rest of Pakistan + Bangladesh, or even North Korea if gaijin’s plans for Korea are not a unified Korea tree.
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Since Gaijin is deciding that Japan TT is getting Indonesia, Singapore should go to the Israel TT
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Arent north korean vehicles stats classified?
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They just use [Singapore TT to China] to block our mouth…
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It’s more like they tried to get everyone to fight with the Chinese with “Singapore TT to China”
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I think that’s kind of what he was meaning
If Gaijin decides to proceed to the worst case scenario which is the Singapore Sub-TT ends up in the China TT possibly to avoid fixing problems with Chinese tanks, will Chinese players do the same thing as what they did with the Thai VT-4 or will they just let it pass?
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Well u guys are still gonna need to pressure gaijin a lot more harder about fixing it.
Yes, my dear friend, this is also the direction our community is striving toward.