Harimau At PT Pindad
Some Picture of indonesian Leopard 2 RI
M109A4
Leopard 2A4 during Super Garuda Shield 2023
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Very nice, here are some additional vehicles & small info+images that can be added to the sub-tree as well:
- MML (Mobile Missile Launcher) Poprad (Grom)
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The vehicle fires Grom missiles, which has a weight of 10.5kg (16.5kg with the launcher) with a diameter of 72mm, and 1,566mm in lenght. Has a Firing range from 5,5 km horizontal to 3-4km vertical, with a minimum firing range of 10m. It can chase targets up to speeds of 650m/s. The missile is a fire-and-forget missile with infrared guidance
Its a part of the “Kobra” defense system, but it can function alone without the need of additional battery command vehicles, as the commander is the one who operates the weapon, sitting beside the driver (2 crew). The components are mounted upon a lengthened 6×6 Land Rover Defender chassis (Polish modification Huzar). The vehicle carries 4 missiles in the tube and 4 additional missiles in storage.
360 view: https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=lSGOCoktxTM
Source:
Grom: Arhanud TNI AD Main Missile [Translated]
Poprad Users (Indonesia)
- Identical vehicles from other tech-trees
- M3A1
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Indonesia inherited both the A3 and the A1 versions of the Stuart from the KNIL
- M8 Greyhound
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was primarily used by the Indonesian Police
- PT-76B (stock/pre-upgrade)
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Used by the Indonesian Marine Corps during the Maluku sectarian conflict and Invasion of East Timor
- BTR-80A
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Used by the Indonesian Marine Corps and currently with INDOBATT on the UNIFIL mission in Lebanon
- AMX-13/75 (FL-10)
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Modèle 51, used to be the main tanks of the Indonesian Armed Forces, totaling over 120+
- AMX-10P Marine (20mm)
- BVP-2
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Czechoslovak-produced version of BMP-2, pretty much identical
- Identical vehicles from other nations that have not been added to the game yet
- Sherpa MPCV (Mistral)
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The platform is the station wagon variant, the launcher with four Mistrals is operated manually or using RCWS (remote control weapon system) within the cabin of the vehicle. In addition, this launcher model is fitted with a 12.7 mm caliber heavy machine gun
Sherpa Light Specifications
- Manufacturing: Renault Trucks
- Crew: 4 or 5
- Dimensions: 5.43 x 2.36 x 2.13 meters
- Wheel base: 3.54 meters
- Internal volume: 7m3
- Max speed: 110 km per hour (on roads)
- Cruising range: 1,000 km at an average speed of 60 km per hour
source : Renault Sherpa Light: Commander Of The Mistral RCWS Missile Arhanud TNI AD [Translated]
- AMX-13/105 (FL-12)
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Modèle 58, Fitted with a CN 105-57 105 mm Gun in an FL-12 turret, not to be confused with the Yonkav 2 (AMX-13/105 Retrofit) which is a 2014 upgrade of the AMX-13 fleet
- Other variants/versions of vehicles present in other tech-trees
- M109A4 (BE)
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Improved versions of M109A2/A3s for nuclear, chemical, and biological protection, in addition the traversing mechanism’s clutch was changed from electric to hydraulic and gained a second hydraulic filter and more reliable engine
- BMP-3F
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Similar in function to the stock BMP-3, designed for prolonged use at sea with the dozer removed and with the addition of a lightweight anti-surge vane on the turret
might add more if i find anything on a later date.
for the identical vehicles, maybe it can be marked with " ⬠ " to differentiate it with the others, since that’s the main roundel of both the Air Force and the Armed Forces
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here are some more videos of the aforementioned vehicles:
- M3A1 Stuart
- PT-76B
- BMP-3F
- Marder 1A3
- Leopard 2RI
- Komodo Mistral Atlas SPAA
Looks like another copy paste. Not very interesting.
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well that’s why this would be better off as a sub-tree rather than a full tech tree. And it could function similarly to Norway in-game where only a few vehicles are put in rather than the whole lot
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Even though this is a suggestion for Indonesian ground sub TT I feel like posting some Indonesian Aircraft more specifically AT-33’s & F-51’s here
You can tell by both images that Indonesia used different secondary weapon loadouts for said aircraft like the Oerlikon 80cm rockets found on the Israeli Spitfires and Swiss Hunters as well as a different Napalm Bomb
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Perhaps, an option for Japan? I’m not exactly sure.
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That good idea, but what would be the point though. It is still just copy and paste right? Truth of the matter is, many modern tanks build on the same proven designs, it would be so much cooler to see more unique desings, for that I believe you have to go back to ealier development of tanks than the Mid/late cold war
well asking a nation to spend half(exaggeration here) of their annual spending just to make a new tank is rather difficult right?
it’s easier to spend less by buying an already tested and tried platform. rather than making new scheme, prototyping, testing, producing.
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for Indonesia specifically I think it would be hard to find earlier designs purely because the nation only gained “proper” independence in 1949, and even after that they are still fighting wars with many different rebellions and nations, such as the british, dutch, and CIA to a lesser extent, so they didnt have a lot of time to develop vehicles, instead they mostly imported AFVs and light tanks.
In addition heavy tanks is generally not really the focus, as the philosophy is more on being light for amphibious operations. This excerpt is pretty good at explaining the situation:
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Indonesian army always operate the light tank weighing not more than 20 tones due to the limitation of our road infrastructure and the nature of Indonesian wet soil. TNI still operates AMX-13 and Scorpions, while Marine Corps rely on the old Sovyet era, the amphibious PT-76. They had acquire the more modern BMP-2 from Ukraine and still waiting for the delivery of 20 BMP-3F from Russia.
Indonesia doesn’t face those kind of threat [near-peer war with other nations]. The only possible land invasion could be from Malaysia’s North Borneo, Sabah and Serawak States. But they must cope with the Kalimantan’s dense forest and swamp, an environment not suitable for a main battle tank. The other land border is in Papua with the worse condition of mountainous terrain and the thickest tropical jungle.
Most of Indonesian terrain does not support the concept of main battle tank. Even the light tank still can only operates on the normal road if they don’t want to be stuck in the paddy field’s mud or swamp. Indonesian Army doesn’t need full scale MBT but it needs a special lightweight tank to sustain such MBT role, engaging any enemy’s MBT threat in the jungle, swamp, paddy fields or in the middle of palm plantation around Sumatera and Kalimantan island.
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and that factor too yes
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right, that is exactly what i am talking about. That is my point. So what do you mean to say? Do you want more vehciles that are the same but has a different flag slapped to the side of it?
yeah they also have quite an extensive air vehicles that can help with the sub-tree as well, surprised not to see that one in the forum though
Here are some planes+helicopters (BR and image is just placeholder):
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it is a copy paste because a real world situation. you complaining about copy and paste is irrelevant because German and Sweden gonna have similar tank Leo 2A7/8 and Strv 122, oh hey they also have T-80 there. you complaining here. make 0 impact.
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I am not complaining, excuse me for not agreeing with you lmao. You keep making my point. It is frustrating. How do i make it get thru to you? Exactly because mordern vehciles are so similar, i think it would be more interesting to add vehicles that are more distrinct or even unique. I beleive that means adding less modern vehciles. I am not complaing about modern vehciles exising, how did you even get that notion? lol. I guess from you not listening to what i am saying.
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Go ahead, tell me 3rd time why mordern vehicles are copy paste lmao
yes. that’s a real world problem, this is inevitable since people/nation choose path of least resistance.
i too want a unique vehicle especially for modern part. then again Gaijin aiming for “realistic” approach on their making, the modern part? impossible. the older? i agree. but here, in Indonesia most conflict in the past was predominantly guerilla/infantry. like the other person said:
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YES! holy shit get it thru your brain!!! Then Indonesia (in my opinion) should not be added! Are you picking up, what i am laying down!? In contrast to your proposel, i am pretty stoked about czechoslovakia being added and the prospect of more romanian and even Yugoslavian vehicles being added. Atleast the ones that are “distinct or even unique”
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then we have to agree to disagree.
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