Indian Mig29 to UK tree and Rafale

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???
I guess the Zeros, Ki 43, 44, 61, 84, 100, J2M series, N1K series, R2Y2s, Kikka, etc are US planes huh?
Heck even in jets, the T2-K and F-1 are japanese jets. Also the US planes, Japan gets access to are literally modified like the F4EJ Kai and F-16AJ.

The majority of Germany’s jets are not copy and past, The Cl-13s are different from the F-86 sabres the US has, the Lim 5p is different from mig 17, Mig 19S is different from the USSR mig 19, Mig 21 MF is different, F4F early and late are different, etc.

Britain does not need a Mig 29, if you want to play a Mig 29 play the USSR. The T-90 being added to the British tech tree was a mistake and in all honesty it should be removed and replaced with something else.

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Thats fair i guess. Well then I think it should just be a british subtree. I don’t think any other country had its equipment split between different nations(except israel but then they also got their own tech tree so thats fine) and I would hate to not have a proper lineup for my Indian vehicles, not to mention that grinding two different nations just to play a few vehicles is not fun at all.

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UK have lot of planes can fit more in TT it doesn’t need Russian or France planes to make up for it

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We can only fly one plane at a time so having both top jets isnt an issue.

More the merrier IMO

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More UK planes, not Ru or French planes in the UK tree

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Almost no one wants that. Russian, and French players wouldn’t be happy if their premier aircraft are copy and pasted into another tree, and British mains would rather see British planes be added, rather than getting Russian/French copy/paste.

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No, I simply don’t want to see my beloved SU-30SM in the Indian and British line, at most in China, and in the future premium or event of some nation.

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India’s just gotta be their own tree. Remove the Bison and others from Britian.

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Britain doesn’t need the Rafale/Mig-29/Su-30 because it already has the Eurofighter

I personally think it should not get it because sub tree copy paste vehicles just delude the tech trees and in this case would make grinding France/USSR redundant because there would be nothing special in the French/Russian tech tree.

Look at it like this:
Why would anyone want to grind France/USSR to just get the Rafale/Mig-29/Su-30, if you could as well grind Britain to get them all the Rafale, Mig-29, Su-30 and the Eurofighter.

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Germany got cucked with leo 2 being whored out to every nation under the sun, and while they werent happy nothing serious ever happened and most dont care anymore. UK at this point is turning into a frankenstein greatest hits tree so why not go all the way.

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I can speak as a GB main.

Most english jets have been added to other trees but as better versions. While being very overtiered at the same time.
Hunters
Meteors
Etc etc

The jets we inherit from others are never the best version… phantoms, gripen etc etc.

Outside of the F3 and the typhoon(im.reaching even with the F3) the tree has very little that even competes…

At this point GB has nothing unique to make anyone want to grind it…

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The Swiss Hunter going to Germany while the Canadian Leo also going to Germany is just hypocrisy.

The Aussie Abrams going to America while the Pig going to Britain also is hypocrisy.

And then there’s the Skink/Ram debacle.

Consistent inconsistency.

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One word

Adats

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Well adats is an acronym, so it isn’t really one word

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What about the ADATS?

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True but a lot of nations have a Leo 2 too so why not give these to other nations too?

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If anything it should have been in UK tree
US never fielded it ,Canada did
So complaining for anything else going to other nations is mute point once you look at adats

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No because the XM1069 was an American tested system. It’s literally an M2 Bradley.

I mean it’s a swiss system does that mean it goes to Germany?

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F3 would be a really solid aircraft if they Fixed BOL. In fact with the exception of GR1 (which is technically missing BOL) you could dramatically buff and thus make most of our Rank VIII aircraft competitive by fixing BOL. A few others need a little more than just that, like the F3 Late needs Phimat too, but we’d have a really solid set of aircraft.

Want decent dogfighters? Gripen, Typhoon and Harrier Gr7

Want (what should be) decent SARH trucks, F3, F3 late and FA2

Want to base bomb? Tornado Gr1/GR4 (and I have been having an absolute blast at the moment in the GR4)

and thats without our missing stuff. Harrier Gr9A for example is going to be hilarious to use.

So. I dont necessarily agree, I think we actually have one of the more unique top tiers, just Gaijin is currently artificially nerfing it and we are missing several really really good additions that will be an absolute laugh to use

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Is BOL that bad? Never noticed a difference.

The harriers are fun and would be great if they had a little more power. Its dissapointing. They are slow top end so wouldnt really hurt/ be OP. Great off the line but then dead.

The tornado IRL can out- turn a phantom and stays wirh a f14 for 2 turns. Neither true ingame. The F3 slaps but 1 vs 1 vs any other jet at BR and you are pretty much dead.

Phantoms are the worst but keep 12.0

Hunter is great. But 9.7 and no flares just bacause it gets 4 x 1km wobble missiles. Keep the missiles, it needs flares

The jaguar being so bad hurts the tree the most IMO. No F5/ MiG21 type fighter throughout. Why is this air frame/ performance so bad? It looks like it shouldnt turn into a brick after 1 turn. Its like the J35 delta wing for no apparent reason.
10.7… is just lols. Like most of the GB jets under perform but over tiered.

Very frustating tree, i deffinitly wouldnt recomend learning the game with it like i did