I’m torn on the idea, but I think it would make a decent stand alone tree and I would play it for sure.
Combined helicopter and aviation trees would be good to go along with it and may help people/GJ warm to the idea?
Could also add a second Challenger Falcon(alternative optics) either foldered or premium/event.
This is a 3D render of an upgrade carried out by DDVS and offered to Jordan
Yeah good call! I hadn’t noticed it before but if you look at the mountains in the background the two sections are identical, just flipped. Definitely computer generated.
I’ll remove it in the next update to the tree. I would replace it with the base Jordanian Cheetah, but there’s already two 8.3 Gepard-style SPAAs in the tree (Rooikat ZA-35 and T-72 ZA-35), so it doesn’t really have a place unfortunately.
Here’s more potential additions
RG-41 TRT & INGAWE: South African MRAP with a Remote Controlled turret and the INGAWE Missile launcher system respectively both intended for the UAE army. The TRT RCWS is a South African weapons system that can use either a 25mm or a 30mm autocannon. The TRT was also mounted on a NIMR Jais MRAP
RG-34 TRT: South African MRAP intended for export, operated by Malaysia, Nigeria and & UAE. There’s also a RG-34 with a 90mm low velocity cannon
Next batch of vehicles have been added! A fair few this time.
Olifant Mk 1A Track Width Mine Plow (Rank V, Squadron)
Olifant Mk 1A with camo netting and a mine plow. Super simple addition, a little unique compared to what’s in the tech tree, nice squadron vehicle that could be earned for free.
Jordanian M60 Phoenix Level 1 (Rank V, Jordanian Line)
The first of the major upgrades to Jordanian M60s, including a new FCS from Raytheon, but most importantly the RUAG 120mm Compact Tank Gun.
Eland 60 (Rank III, Armoured Car Line)
Cheeky little fella slinging 60mm low velocity HEAT. Would be a perfect light tank around 4.7 - 5.0 (the HEAT is not very good).
Class 2 Armoured Car (77mm) ‘Cheetah Mk II’ (Rank IV, Armoured Car Line)
An early prototype for the Rooikat program, equipped with the same turret as the Concept tanks. However, it is significantly faster, and potentially could utilise APDS and an optical rangefinder, hence the higher rank.
Class 2B Armoured Car (76mm) (Rank V, Armoured Car Line)
An evolution of the Class 2 Prototype, now with the GT-4 76mm naval cannon slinging APFS-DS.
Jordanian M52 (Rank III, TD/IFV Line)
Jordanian M52 Self Propelled Howizter. Based on a backwards M41 chassis, similar to the M44, but with a 105mm howitzer and an enclosed, partially rotating turret. The one pictured had a less-than-ideal encounter with some Israeli armour.
Rooikat LCT-30/ZT3 (Rank VII, TD/IVF Line)
Rooikat equipped with a slightly bodged Denel LCT-30/ZT3 turret
Mercedes Gun Tractor 20mm (Rank III, SPAA Line)
Precursor to the Ystervark, 20mm AA cannon mounted on the rear of a Mercedes Gun Tractor. May actually perform slightly better then the Ystervark in game because of the improved firing angles.
Cheetah PRTL
Cheeky fuckers photoshopped this one
What are the functional differences between the Class 2(B) and Rooikat Mk. 1D?
Quite a lot but the thing to remember is that the Class 2(B) is just the prototype of the Rooikat
It’s well explained in this Secret Projects Forum:
Skimmed through it and didn’t find anything I didn’t already know about the Class 2 (that it was the Rooikat prototype). What I’m asking is how it would differ in-game, to justify a 0.3 BR lower (according to the main post), or even being added in general. I can’t find any info on whether it had or didn’t have a laser rangefinder, which imo would be the key feature that would change its BR.
According to the SA Armour Museum it had “Selectable Skid Turn; Both Directions at 10 km/h” and a “Turret Mounted 60mm Mortar”, which might even make it (slightly) better than the production Rooikat.
A whole BR difference, it would also be slower but too many things that one can see a noticeable gameplay difference. Someone who tested the Class 2(B) and production Rooikat could probably tell you the main difference but is internal systems, like accuracy of sights to gun, definitely the stabilizer failer speeds etc.
Honestly not a huge amount.
In terms of firepower and armour they are essentially the same, with slightly different chassis, but the 2B will have worse mobility, with only 6 forward gears and 1 reverse, with the Rooikat having 12(?) forward and 4 reverse.
For game balance, my thought process behind the placement was that the difference will come from the soft stats, like rotation & elevation speed, optics, reload, potentially only optical rangefinder vs laser rangerfinder etc etc.
But they could very easily both be at 8.7. The BRs I’ve placed vehicles at definitely only approximate and shouldn’t be considered final.
Even if it was 8.7 and had similar performance to the Rooikat, I don’t think that’s a reason to not add it. It’s a unique domestic vehicle with good performance that fits the overall playstyle of the nation - hit fast and hard. Its not any different to the USSR having several T-54s at 8.0, or GB having 2 Chieftains at 8.7.
Thats what Rooikat has, that + selectable low/high
Thanks!
Fair, I certainly won’t complain about more Rooikats :)
Have you thought about adding one of the 4 prototypes (pre-production?) each named after the Four Musketeers as a premium? I know the CVED is already there but the named ones fit Gaijin’s style of premiums a little more.
Interesting, thanks!
Do you know how the game derives 4 reverse gears from a single gear with selectable high/low?
No. I don’t. High low would mean that it is 12/2, so at least forward are fine. Maybe ratios were doing some magic, and more gears were needed to make it work in game.
All good, I have a suggestion pending for the Class 2B, but it really doesn’t contain any extra info that I didn’t cover in my Class 2 (77mm) suggestion.
Yeah, I can put one of those in as a premium, they are interesting vehicles with important history :)
Looking back as well this is actually a very important photo, this isn’t the Rooikat hull, its the Class 2C hull, the front-engined Class 2 prototype, and this is the only variant I’m aware of where it has a turret.
With only the 20mm it’s kind of just obsolete when compared to the Eland 20, but if it got the ATGM mounting (as it’s the same turret as the Ratel 20), then it would be interesting as an early wheeled IFV around 8.0.
Tau 4x4:
Ratel SLEP:
G6-52:
Never thought they got that far in the project
I was considering writing a suggestion but there’s basically 0 information about it that I can find - just that it was showcased at AAD 2024 and it’s basically a smaller Ratel.
As far as I know it uses the same turret as old Ratels so no upgraded electronics or anything like the SLEP.
I actually misidentified it, well… sort of. I was thinking of the A 300/400 which was a bit like a Ratel with the second wheel placed behind the first one and the side doors in front of the rear wheels, it also would have been amphibious
Level 1 did not have 120mm cannon, that would be AB9B1 Level 2. AB9B1 Level 1 was more focused on fire-control system and electro-optical improvements, while Level 2 came with 120mm cannon. Also I’m not sure if calling it as Phoenix Level 1 is correct as Phoenix name came after AB9B1 Level 3 though I might be mistaken. I would suggest four different vehicles as: AB9B1 Level 1, AB9B1 Level 2, AB9B1 Level 3 and M60A3 Phoenix.
AB9B1 Level 1
AB9B1 Level 2
AB9B1 Level 3
M60A3 Phoenix
According to Jane’s AB9B1 Level 1 did not receive 120mm cannon, I would like to another source claiming otherwise which you might’ve used.
Again using Jane’s as source, AB9B1 Level 2 did not have any armor upgrades, only 120mm cannon on top of improvements of Level 1. AB9B1 Level 3 seems to received composite armor elements while Phoenix have RUAG ERA instead of composite. So possibly there would be four different vehicles as; AB9B1 Level 1, AB9B1 Level 2, AB9B1 Level 3, M60 Phoenix
Sources
Jane’s Armour and Artillery 2005 - 2006
Jane’s Armour and Artillery 2011 - 2012
