SEP V2 is worse than the SEP V1 in most cases lol.
The SEP V1 is more than competitive at 12.7.
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Maybe, though I’m pretty surprised considering most jets at that BR already get access to F&F AGMs.
Otomatic, I think, is better.
Or good Pantsir / ADATS players.
Agreed.
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idk why they hate the sep v2 so much but i agree, its worse than the v1, but even still its not really 12.7 worthy, theres literally no differences in game between all three M1A2s besides the SEPs getting slower with each generation
ADATS so sigma
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The M1A2 and the M1A2 SEP V1’s only real difference is the fact that the SEP V1 has better gen thermals (which can be quite useful in quite a few scenarios).
The M1A2, Clickbait, and the HC should all be 12.3 to be fair.
The 2PL is worse in most ways despite it being 12.3…
Even the 2A5 is worse in most cases because of the 5s reload the Abrams now has.
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Only issue with those is fnf helis get the rwr warning and just hide behind a hill
Most gun AAs are better, but HSTVL is good mostly for not triggering rwr
Agreed, but i do think the SEP V2s sluggishness makes it worthy of the same br as the M1A2, the sep v1 is an actual upgrade though, albeit a small one
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You need direct LOS with F&Fs, and good Pantsir / ADATS players just pre-fire anyways.
The missile launch warning won’t really detect the missile until you’re over the hill and it’s already too late.
You can’t have a proper decompression without increasing maximum BR.
Probably.
Gaijin giving us two more BR steps can definitely reduce compression at more than just one BR.
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I could somewhat agree with this, yes.
The hc and clickbait are just the same as the M1A1 but a bit slower, so i dont really know about that one
Well those 2 BR steps mostly decompressed the 10.7-12.0 range fairly well (of course, there needs to be some BR adjustments for some vehicles, but it’s getting there).
I don’t think you can use those 2 BR steps any more to decompress further down without causing compression at the top.
Click Bait is a 2A6 equivalent.
The M1A2, M1A1 HC and M1A1 Clickbait have a better round (the same as the Sep V1 and V2), and they have the same turret cheek armour as the M1A2s.
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IT has, teh 2s38 got nerfed a few times iwth the addition of modules and rectifying how strong its fuel tank was.
It has actively lost some potency.
Not had any issues with my KVT, or M1 against them, nor the 2a4s man.
The 2S38 IRL is registered as SPAA, It technically as far as I searched hasn’t been trailed with APFSDS but we would need to see.
Yeah same as teh T80UD mate it has armour from 11.3 brought down to 10.3
I am actually working on the HSTVL now and I am genuinely looking forward to it.
Eh the M1A1, M1A1 HC, M1A2, IPM1 all need to move up, bar maybe the IPM1 now have a huge advantage
Which is a pain in the butt consider 2a5 and 2PL are higher BR’d than it now.
No it is not mate, 12.0 For the abrams is under BR’d it absolutely slams xD
what??
Other 12.7s? being the leclerc, Merkava MK4, CR2, VT4A1, the god damn M1A2 at 12.0 is better than all of them
M829A1 / A2 has a penetration difference of 20mm, which is completely negligible at top tier
Abrams armor doesnt change between the M1A1 and the sep v2 at all iirc, theyre both 800mm of NERA and iirc around 200mm of RHA, only difference i guess is the dozer blade on the hc and eea on the sep, which does nothing
It’s not a huge difference, but it can be the difference between being able to penetrate the turret cheek of the Leclerc and not being able to. More penetration also means more spalling too.
You can check protection analysis.
Also for the M1A1 HC, the ‘HC’ stands for ‘Heavy Commons’, which is suppose to be the extra composite armour in the cheeks, basically equivalent to the M1A2’s.
So were gonna ignore all the leopard 2s, t80s, t90s, all the chinese tanks tbh, not to mention how some of the tanks you listed are better than the abrams.
Tell me how, please. The abrams has the worst survivability in game, and an average shell, the literal only advantage is has is an extra 1s reload if you pay some golden eagles, thats literally all thats going for it
I truly think you’re underestimating the Abrams at top tier.
The 10.7 Abrams is not nearly as good as the M1A1, or even the M1A2 / HC / Clickbait especially at 12.0. The SEP V1 is also great and should be a higher BR than most other MBTs at top tier.
If you want, I can show you in-game some of the reasons why it’s so good.
My only gripe with them is the fact that the 10.7 one has a pretty lackluster round and all Abrams can be frontally penetrated by any round with more than 80mm of penetration. If the turret ring was stronger, I think it would be a really strong MBT (and not a glorified light tank with pretty good turret cheek armour and possibility to ricochet shots via UFP). Oh, and I guess the turret baskets, too, are annoying.
The Chinese tanks that I mentioned ? the ZTZ99A,WZ1001 and VT4A1 are substantially worse than the M1A2.
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M829A2 is the best round in the game when fired from the** L/44 Caliber cannon.** so higher than leopard 2a5, 2PL, 2PSO, Ariete, CR3TD all fire DM53 which has lower pen.
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the Reload even with expert crew is 5.3 seconds which is massively faster than most other nations, a whole 2 seconds nearly faster than the chinese , or russian MBTs which have a slow 7.1 second reload.
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Prove to me you’ve used absolutely no other nation than USA, the abrams are my most used top tier prem, whilst I have every tree bar sweden and italy at 11.3 and above.
M1A2 is a fantastic tank, which sits massively under BR’d compared to its peers. -
faster reload, or on par
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better round
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better mobility
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more usuable armour.
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effective survivability.
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good optics
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T90 M is slower,
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Worse reload
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worse round
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worse survivability (which is when it gets penetrated)
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massively worse overall mobility.
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worse optics
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worse gun depression.
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has better armour and thermals.
the abrams is objectively better than Ariete, CR2 , VT4A1, Leclerc all at 12.7 while it is 12.0 xD
He has barely used it and said M829A2 is an average round in game mate.
He said the chinese MBTs are better than the abrams mate.
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