Top-tier anti-aircraft guns are still encountering 11.7 aircraft. This shouldn’t be the case; these aircraft are still dead in the game. Why didn’t the Pantsir-S1 move to 12.3? Why didn’t the Tunguska move to 11.0? Developers, if you’re already making changes to the battle ratings, you need to be smart about it. As usual, you’ve done everything crappily.
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The only way Pantsir moves to 12.3 is if ALL CAS at BR 12.0 moves up to 12.3 with it.
Pantsir and Tunguska are currently balanced.
CAS does not deserve to be OP.
Again, Centauro is faster on roads, sand, and snow terrain. Its top speed enables that (110 km/h instead of just 71 km/h)
Well it’s not just mobility in city maps that makes the VT5 better, but the turret rotation speed too.
The higher penning round to compensate is fairly reasonable.
So I agree that, for the most part, they should be the same BR.
They effectively have the same angle coefficient (since at top tier all APFSDS round are long-rod penetrators)
No issues with using flat pen here.
So should the T-90A move up to 11.3 / 11.7?
And no, they are not better than the Type 90, for multiple reasons.
That I agree with.
And so would comparing mobility between tracked light tanks to wheeled light tanks?
Big no no for mbt-2000 - 11.7 really? With that gun handling?
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With that horrible 7.1s reload, and little to no gun depression?
The armour is barely usable too…
That thing is very good due to the fact that it is the size of ru mbts and it could actually reverse, also combined with -6 gun depression it is easily a better sniper than the ztz99 and wl1001 at top tier. Their performance not very far apart aside of the niche aps and lws to warn when getting range find’d, might be able to avoid strike drone once and that’s about it, and I think that is not enough to warrant a .7 br apart lol
That’s why I think it should be 0.3 BR higher than the T-90A (which is 11.0).
It gets the same round, same reload, similar gun depression (-4 is pretty bad with the T-90A but -6 is still quite unusable for the most part), but gets much better mobility over the T-90A , but the T-90A gets much better armour. That’s a reasonable BR difference imo.
ZTZ99A has -5 degrees of gun depression, which both are still pretty unusable. The ZTZ99A also has much better turret cheek armour. The ZTZ99A also has better generation thermals than the MBT-2000, and much better hull armour than either (especially the Al Khalid).
How is the MBT-2000 a better sniper?
ZTZ99A also has better transmission and engine, giving it better acceleration and top speed than the MBT-2000.
ZTZ99A also has better gun handling (both vertical and horizontal drives are better)
I think the ZTZ99A should be 12.0, while the MBT-2000 and Al-Khalid can be 11.3 no problem.
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T-90A has -4.5 degree gun depression while mbt2000/Khalid has -6, you can use a lot of spots the T-90A couldn’t, and all the top tier Chinese mbts has -5 degree which is a downgrade to mbt2000 in terms of gun depression, I have 200 ping and slowly adjusted to not putting myself in a position to brawl cqc which makes miliseconds matter even more so I am at greater disadvantage with my latency, which leads me to trying to sit back and camp so that sort of compensate when I’m going up against someone who isn’t 200 ping like my own.
mbt-2000 and khalid problem is turret horizontal and vertical traverse, you can’t ambush in that tank - if you stay behind other players yell at you or you simple do nothing… Armor is mediocre but on that br u are simple one shoot…
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While I do think 2S38 can move up, it’s not one I focus on much now a days as after the many changes they had their potency dropped substantially.
I do believe the 2S38 could do with a limit on either how much of its proxy round it brings or , and more importantly a limit on its APFSDS it brings, say it can only bring 40, then it would be able to be more limited at its current placement.
OTOMATIC only gets 12, why does the 2S38 which by Russias own military decree is an SPAA get full belts / racks of APFSDS
HSTVL , sorry it posted when I meant to keep typing.
HSTVL, could and should be higher, once it got the change to the reload speed (which is historically accurate) it should have bumped up.
These recent BR changes have highlighted just how much US stuff at top tier is under BR’d .
The damn abrams M1A2 sitting at 12.0 is a clear sign of this.
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Alright so the Al Khalid and MBT-2000 have much worse armour profile than the T-90A, they have the same reload and round, but the Al Khalid and MBT-2000 have better gun handling and better gun depression (but nowhere near the levels of most NATO MBTs) and better acceleration, reverse speed, and top speeds.
What BR difference do you think they should be?
I think although the armour on the Al Khalid and MBT-2000 are much worse, the mobility and slightly better gun depression / gun handling mostly makes up for it. I think a 0.3 BR difference is reasonable because of those differences.
That’s true, but all the other substantial benefits that the ZTZ99A has over the MBT-2000 and Al-Khalid more than makes up for it.
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Its potency hasn’t changed at all, but the surroundings and survivability has.
2A4s and Abrams (fairly difficult to kill with the 2S38) have been nerfed with the turret basket change, making it possible to disable them and prevent them from killing you in the 2S38 more easily.
(You can even LFP the 2A4 front-aspect and kill the driver + turret basket, making it completely defenseless).
That would be a good change to balance the 2S38 out, but the problem is that I don’t know if that’s a realistic change. The OTOMATIC (from what I understand) has that 12 round APFSDS limit because of its incompatability with the rest of the autoloader.
Even with that change, the 2S38 being able to face 9.3 MBTs is quite ridiculous if you ask me.
Most NATO 9.3 MBTs rely on their mobility (which most aren’t too great to begin with either) to avoid getting killed, so they’re effectively glorified light tanks.
It’s fine.
Well, it already went from 1.5s to 1.0s, which definitely helped it be more potent.
But even with that change, the ammo capacity is still the biggest problem with it, at least from my experience.
Increasing the firerate even further won’t help a ton, only really increasing its BR to where it (again) has to face spall-lined, ultra-survivable MBTs with a limited ammo pool again.
It already got bumped up to 12.0, which makes it no longer be able to prey upon relatively weak 10.7s MBTs.
Some of the US MBTs have been undertiered, like the M1A1 (some overtiered like the AGS), but the new BR decompression definitely exaggerated it – especially with the M1A1, M1A1 HC / Click Bait, and of course the M1A2.
Yeah. Should be 12.3. The SEP V1’s only benefit is side-grade TUSK ERA and better gen thermals.
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We must play a different game then.
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Ideally we should see some of the better 10.7s and 10.3s move up a bit as well. At the moment 11.0 is much more forgiving than it was before so there’s no reason to not decompress that tier as well.
That said, 2S38 could now go to 10.7 easily and if it’s decent enough it can get up to 11.0 as well.
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All this one-by-one decompression just reminds me of longitudinal waves.
A really good example is when Gaijin decided to decompress the 5.0 - 6.0 BR range by moving up the Panther A, G, Tiger H1, Tiger E, and Jumbo.
They decompress that BR, but then they inadvertently compressed the 5.7 - 6.7 range, where the Jumbo 75 can somehow face the Tiger II H. AKA just shifting the compression to a different region.
The Jumbo 76 and the Black Prince (which is extremely underrated in my opinion) just curbstomps them and others when the Tigers and Panthers are in the same full downtier match or a slight uptier.
At least in this case, they are going from the top, which is ideal since it gives more room for actual decompression down the line. Though this 0.7 higher BR cap only really helped decompress Top Tier, and didn’t give much room for further decompression because we have effectively exhausted the extra BR ranges.
I think there are maybe some 10.7s that could go up, but (if I’m honest) the 9.3s MBTs don’t get bullied by them anymore (which is good), and the 9.7s (Merkava Mk.2B / T-64Bs) can more than deal with them in a full uptier.
I think the bigger compression lies at 9.0-10.0:
How is the ZTZ96 0.3 BR higher than the ZTZ88A when it has a better reload, much better round, better armour, and turret rotation speed?
How is the T-72A / T-64A (especially with their current reloads) the same BR as the OF-40 MTCA, Gal Batash or Olifant Mk.2? How are they just 0.3 BR lower than the T-64B, which is much better in terms of both firepower and armour?
How the hell is the MBT-70 the same BR as the KPZ-70 when the KPZ-70 has 25 more horsepower, 2x the amount of smoke pops, and a whole 6.0s reload (instead of 7.5s reload)?
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Not the point, you NEED to spend multiple rounds to kill most tanks, and air targets can dodge shots and usually take a good 6 rounds of HE to kill a plane and anywhere from 2-6 rounds per tank, 26 rounds is nowhere near enough.
Youre comparing different brands of aluminum foil, until gaijin actually learns what shell shatter is the HSTVL is about as survivable as a milk truck, actually, i think most milk trucks would do better in top tier as far as shell tanking, same for the 2s38, just might get lucky and eat a shot or two every so often
Higher? Sure, maybe by like .3 or .7 max, not a whole 1.7 br difference
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For helis mostly (killing ~12.0 Top Tier Jets is effectively impossible).
But yeah, 2-6 rounds per heli.
It’s why I would rather just carry full APFSDS.
HSTVL went to 12.0 but 2S38 still on 10.3 loool
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12.0 is fine for it, if anything id say downtier the SEP v1 to 12.3 and SEPV2 to 12.0, the abrams has no compeition against other 12.7s until the SEP v3 comes around with M829A3 and DU hull
Ive killed a fair few jets with the HE, not to mention how an HSTVL is better at killing most helicopters than any SPAA in game right now, still, 26 rounds wont get you much of anywhere, especially if you plan on carrying any AA capacity
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