Increase spawn cost for planes and helicopters

What I have said is visible to everyone and there is no:

so yea, people can see that ;).

With who? Because when it comes to replies to this topic there was no real consensus made in first place. Only a few people with some even beliving in russian bias.

Again, I haven’t seen many people agreeing with that opinion. Not to mention that there was a strong opposition to that in first place.

You literally just acknowledged and confirmed my point…you’ve griped about non-SPAA GFs’ suitability against aircraft (which is a “wrong tools” scenario).

You previously talked about wrong tools scenarios with dismissal for such complainants. So…yeah: my point was proven.

The vibe among the general population…that’s what consensus means in this context.

As for individuals or their beliefs…what business is that of yours and what relevance do you think that has to a matter of mass consensus?

I recall it being quite different. Fighters First didn’t really encounter any serious opposition, but it didn’t have any major outspoken advocacy as-is either.

The status quo as things are now is fairly popular all in all–but FF could certainly be a way to adjust matters with only an SP cost alteration. It’d only expand vehicle access and players’ freedom of choice.

Again, nothing about people using them as this statement tells:

Thanks for proving again my point.

And I have seen much more people talking about unbalance and need of rising the cost of SP and nerfs rather than making them cheaper.

Same as I do.

I hope that one day You will create a poll to showcase the popularity of that idea. To this day we can only see how majority thinks about CAS in GB in the polls we have on forum (no matter what You think about them).

You were talking about vehicles’ suitability for a given task (non-SPAA vehicles for SPAA-esque use) and grousing about it.

The mention of people in that wrong tools scenario was passing and irrelevant because you were talking about a vehicle matter. You’re getting hung up on irrelevant details…don’t get distracted so easily.

Complaints made while angry about defeat are neither well-balanced nor informed. Such statements are charitably described as ‘passionate’ but not necessarily well reasoned. Facts > feelings

Eh…you seem to be snagged on the limits of polls again. To clarify this to you:

Polls are not inherently reflective of the total population, they can only show the expressions of the polled. As accuracy of the representation goes, there are all sorts of variables at play (motivation, sampling, etc.) that can jaundice results and skew the data. Polls are certainly not perfect.

As I said, if I get around to putting together a formal poll on Fighters First it’ll probably be with a detailed post on the matter to do the whole concept justice.

Based on early signs, FF’d likely be a smash hit. (Who doesn’t want more freedom of choice?)

I was talking about how things are in the game, that mounted MGs have limited angle they can shot at, not complaining about it.

You are the one who said that I complained about people, not me:

And I have never done it.

Sorry but we don’t know which people are making comments based of emotions. Not to mention that again much more people were saying that things should get nerfed/costs of SP should be bigger than other way around.

Of course they are not. But probably one with around 1000 people voting on it in official forum of the game when someone only registered can vote is something that should be taken into consideration.

Can’t wait to see it then as You claim to know what You are doing.

Things are not going to be as colorfull as You try to portray them to be.

You mean fly airplanes as first spawns? They already use the freedom of choice of the mode they want to play and play one where it is possible.

You’ve groused about it previously as though it’s a fundamental issue to game balance because one sort of vehicle supposedly has ‘no’ means to handle another. (That’s not a big deal).

A “wrong tools” scenario, especially like this, doesn’t pose such an issue. It just requires good teamplay/better decisionmaking

Not really…you seemed to have latched onto a passing remark that actually referred to vehicle usage. Yeah, players use vehicles–duh.

“Should be bigger” eh? Is that your opinion leading that, or…?

Mob mentality =/= correct

We’d have to see how the conditions are to look it over. Poll quality matters…that poorly written one you showed would be greatly inferior to a concise, well organized setup.

When I get around to it, sure. I couldn’t do any worse than that messy one you referred to.

Man, if you are a clairvoyant give me the winning lottery numbers as proof.

The AFs modes are irrelevant to this RB GFs discussion…not sure why you bring them up.

As parts of RB GFs, there’s no reason not to have that choice there. Greater availability of defending fighters would allow GFs more protection from enemy aircraft later…so there’s no issue with that.

I haven’t complained about it.

I have pointed out the limitations of mounted MGs on tanks not complained about them, not even talking about people using them.

Yes, You did:

This is much different than talking about:

So please, stop making it into something different when Your first comment is clearly visible.

I have never complained about people trying to shot down aircrafts with non-SPAA tanks. They are doing the best they can do.

This is how majority thinks and what listening to it will lead to.

As long as You can’t provide anything better, it is the best we have.

I’m just pointing out what early sings show ;).

Of course they are.

Many people already pointed out that early fighters would be even bigger threat to many ground units to begin with and the nature of random teams doesn’t support balanced teams.

just get 1 kill and die u get a full loadade planes to pick 2 to 5 free kills is so dum**

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You don’t even need to kill someone to be able to spawn in a plane with bombs/rockets.

Sometimes even 1 cap is enough.

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iv said that so many times Planes should be a reward not a playstyle in br ground battles. but is so easy to get a planes is basicaly play as tank only to dominate with a plane

I frankly dont disagree with you man. BUT, there is few ways we can protest it.

that bush thing is kinda some bs. how did they justify letting folks keep it while closing access.

btw you could also increase the nuke’s sp from 2500 to 3000 to make it more unique as well (like increasing all sp for planes and helicopters). and why does the person who respawns nuke have to start from 0 from an airport where the enemy that respawns a few seconds later is already high in the sky in a speeding plane… Where is the balance here? So shouldn’t everyone start at the airport when someone advises against nuclear weapons?

Yes, I was shot down like that and it doesn’t really hurt me, but I guess it shouldn’t be like that. A person who has to kill about 10 enemies to spawn a nuclear weapon vs a person who makes 2 assists and spawns a plane in which he also has a much greater advantage