It doesnt though nowhere it mentions it’s an ARHM seeker you have taken what the designation means.
We actually want proof of that seeker being equiped to said missile and being actually used.
We don’t have that, Russia offer so many different varieties of missiles but most are never realised.
So far you have provided a designantion and a picture of a seeker head.
9E420 is the seeker from the 9M317, am i correct? So it did not change while upgrading to the M variants?
Correct. Should be an updated variant.
I told you just because you don’t know , don’t assume others don’t too :
Is TopWar representing Manufacturer or Government? It seems to be the only website talking about that story, with nothing else to back it up.
It also gives how they show 1 or M1 launching the missile.
I will have a read through it later, thanks for that.
Work are funny about “Russian” websites
TopWar is quoting either Izvestia or TASS i don’t remember which it is but there are 100% other articles , i will find them later .
Ok, i will be waiting.
imo, the 317 nor the 317M are ARH because why would the russians require a launcher with its own search and track radar… hmmm, perhaps… to guide the missile?
perhaps because… it cannot rely on DL alone?
especially with such a low refresh rate and long range (claimed upto 70km)
To make a few things clear.
317 was tested with ARH seeker, but just test, not serial production.
DL to the missile is provided by the launcher, not search radar. Launcher does hard lock, so the target refresh is constant.
SARH is terminal only.
ye ik. same case as with 38MT, just barely better
ik that too. i meant that for the older m2 model, in which the launcher doesnt have its own radar set, the DL is propapbly provided by search radar
ye and b4 that it is merely DL+IOG?
No.
9M317 and 9M317M are 2 different missile types. 9M317 has a confirmed ARH test. 9M317M maybe, we have to wait for what Raldi sends.
middle is 9M317
bottom is 9M317M
No, it is always the TELAR radar. All of them have one. M2 has a weaker version of the M3 radar, while 1/M1/M1-2 has a mechanical radar.
Yes, before that it is DL+IOG
wait so the 317M isnt a modernisation of the 317?
ah cool
ok, i see them.
So, how reliable are these websites. Unless they are a manufacturer website or government website, they are normally not considered reliable.
It comes down to Russian designations
9 is a SAM system
M is missile
317M is a Buk M3 designation.
As for development, idk about that, but the differences are there on the first look
“Ria news” site stated “either ARH or SARH”
Amal news stated ARH
both of these “news” website has no sources, just general statement
3rd party sources at best especially since ive seen other more reliable sources being labeled as third party sources by gaijin
amal is written by Editor-in-chief and military observer of the information web resource AmalNews. > So a journalist
this being the same situation as other
you can put a news website with a general statement, say “aim-120c5 can reach 120km”
and put it as main sources, that wont pass for “gaijin standard”
rather than you have to put manufacture statement like raytheon for example
RIA Novosti is state owned. AmalNews is military news agency ( independent or semi-independent ) .
Regardless the point stands, there is clear evidence supporting that 9M317M/MA is equiped with ARH .
What is the evidence supporting the opposite ? None !
where is actual document?
so you would trust a “state owned business”?
i can put numerous “state owned” or “government news website” with many general statement and it can be a reliable sources yes?
Read the bloody thread mate, i have posted multiple sources from Agat ( and academic military literature ) stating tha ARH seekers equip GtA missiles .
Most Russian defense companies are state-owned that’s hardly a revelation.
So what are you suggesting ? That their information is automatically invalid because of that ?
Come on. Get a grip. As i made the point to Devil , press articles are not the meal they are icing on the cake.
If you want to argue that seeker manufacturer , system manufacturer , and various state and non state press agencies are all making things up because somehow you know better … well what can i say, im not a doctor …
Feel free to bug report the opposite with thin air as source material .
