We are 3 sub-trees deep. they haven’t done that.
With how stubborn Gaijin is safe to assume it won’t happen.
I post the official statement of Gaijin with words not only from Smin but Gromvoiny a Dev as well.
Depends on your view on what unique means, as that has a huge influence, but if performance altering modifications count as unique it would mean that the air tree would generally be 40% unique and the ground tree more than that, though that I haven’t counter properly yet.
dutch isnt a nordic country, how the hell did you end up with that thought and neither is danish part of the sweden tree for that matter that was never confirmed and wasnt said that all “nordic” countries would end up in sweden tree
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Ordered? Sorry, last I checked they set aside some of their budget for a possible 2A8 purchase, not that they have definitely placed down an order.
I do understand the concern or top tier MBT copy paste, but overall the rest of the tree is quite well balanced between unique stuff, modifications and copy paste.
No seriously, until the 2A8 order is confirmed, and the tank itself is finished (news flash, it won’t be until late 2025/early 2026 - better yet, what if the Dutch version will differ from the German one?), BeNeLux TT is a pipe dream due to not having contemporary vehicles.
I’d be willing to have a less unique top tier if it means have a good general tree for three separate gamemodes.
I love it when the only unique things about it are lower tiers, but the higher you go, the more copy-paste it becomes. Actually an exact opposite of Israel lol.
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A 3D model that isn’t currently in-game; OR loadouts that aren’t on like-vehicles.
@Mahiwew yeah, the dutch do not have made an offical decision for the 2a8 yet, germany, norway, italy have them ordered maybe czech republic
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Ah, you appear to be correct on that front.
This is a fair criticism then, though I stand by my point that a lacklustre top tier doesn’t discredit the rest of the potential such nations have.
Not necessarily if you ask me, it’s really just top top top tier, the toppest tier, that things start to deteriorate.
lithuania ordered leopards aswell but don’t know if it is the 2A8
only unique things of benelux were cockatrill turrets and “fenneks” from netherlands, but take a guess which country uses fenneks as well were they would perfectly fit.
And i stand by the problem of benelux having massive spaa problems
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good catch, it got officialy approved yesterday
Cant blame me for missing that one xD
Future otential? Sure. Is it worth implementing a brand new tree that will be haeavily borrowing from existing trees and barely diversify itself at top tier? IMO not for Gaijin.
Play Leopard 2s? - > Germany & Sweden (that both get to enjoy better variants)
Play CV90s? - > Sweden
Play F-16s - > Basically anyone.
Not necessarily if you ask me, it’s really just top top top tier, the toppest tier, that things start to deteriorate.
I probably missed some of the things though, and didn’t really circle the Fenneks, but chances are they will come to Germany first and thus, the Dutch ones become a copy-paste as well.
Quite freankly the Cockerill Leopard 1 might just as well go to Germany as a premium soon’ish, seeing as L/44 is old and not that lucritive anymore.
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Well, we already have Finland and Norway, so who’s not to assume we will get Denmark as well.
Cobra family, T-13 family, entire Fokker company, Renard company, YP-408 variants, I could go on.
But eh, I’m tired of having to repeat this even after you’ve seen the tree for yourself.
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Oh, I see what this is it’s a “Top-tier is-everything” argument.
Unfortunately, if you have a problem with nations using similar equipment this is not the game for you.
Apart from France, every NATO-aligned nation will have an F-35 when we get there. Unfortunately, 90% of all unique military equipment comes from WW2 and the 50s.
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It’s 1 sub-tree per nation. You’ve got Finland for that & Norway for some premiums you otherwise wouldn’t have. Denmark does not bring anything new to Sweden.
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I’m not quite sure what the circles are meant to signify, could you clarify that for me?
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But why add a 3rd nation? Finnland and Norway should be enough to cover possible holes in the tree and considering both nations are Leo users and Sweden hasn’t gotten their ass of to order a STRV 123B they are covered with the 2A8NO no need to add the danish just for the mbts sake
funny thing thats specialy the reason why they dont want to do that lol, they said that other would only come as part of premiums if anything (like norway), gajin stayed mostly that they dont wanna push to many more into the tree
Vehicles that would be copy-pastes or near copy-pastes of already existing AFVs in the game.
Funnily the picture they used for the Leopard 2A6NL is in fact the German Leopard 2A6MA2, lol.