If you could, how would you re-balance CAS in Ground Battles?

[Morvran]

@O_HOgameplay

@Morvran

Decrease the SP cost of lower value A2G weapons as they become less effective.
(unguided weapons like bombs and rockets at low to medium tier are hightly effective, but at top tier, unguided weapons have more limited value, especially as you are more exposed to SPAA. Decreasing their SP Cost slightly might encourage them to be used over the more effective precision weapons at top tier)

How would it be less effective?

Take the Tornado Gr1:

Dropping up to 12 1k unguided bombs at mach 1 at ultra low alt on a moving target is far harder and less effective than sitting than sitting at 20k ft dropping a GBU or PGM and has dramtically greater risk as you are well within range of SPAA, Helis, etc. Currently the difference in SP cost in negliable and there just isnt really much point to running an unguided loadout. But if there was an insentive, like it being a lot lot cheaper (or at least with a partial load) maybe the increased risk and reduced effectiveness would be “worth it”

@O_HOgameplay

Isn’t it the biggest irony, that CAS is Close Air Support, yet it is the most destructive thing to tanks.

Counter Argument to that is that you are “supporting” your team by taking out enemy forces. Protecting your team. I’ll typically prioritise those in sniping spots, flanking my teams spawn or those trying to cap a point (and thus help my team)

[BoveyBadBoy69]

I agree,make the separate mode and let the people decide
Its like the referendum for the UK to leave the EU,nobody expected the result that came,half the pro EU people were so sure it was a done deal they didn’t bother to vote.Try the CAS free version and lets see what it tells us about the game and the people who play it.Only way we will truly know.

[O_HOgameplay]

@Morvran

Counter Argument to that is that you are “supporting” your team by taking out enemy forces. Protecting your team. I’ll typically prioritise those in sniping spots, flanking my teams spawn or those trying to cap a point (and thus help my team)

No. You are annihilating a team. It is not supporting.

[Morvran]

That is exactly what Close air support is IRL…

Typhoons didnt drop 500lb paveways filled with chocolates and encouraging messages during Op Shader

[ARK_BOI]

Jet able to spawn at the match
Me “Oh well time to air spawn camping those Russian jets”

[Real_K_Soze]

@O_HOgameplay

Most fighters still can kill tanks even with guns. A .50 cal can easily kill things, like Tigers and Panthers.

And this is nonsense. Pure fictional BS. A vid which debunked it:

P-47 vs Tiger Tank: Can Machine Guns Penetrate Armor?

So the fact that gaijin allows this nonsense should give you an indicator that this is fully intended…

[Morvran]

When he said that I thought he was just being Hyperbolic. But they actually can?

[MotorolaCRO]

@Uncle_J_Wick

You might agree that dedicated pilots are more likely to contribute and to perform much better in an aircraft than a dedicated tanker who is forced to fly in order to protect his own tanks - you have your answer.

You’re right, dedicated pilots should perform that job much better on average, I’m not arguing about that one.

@Uncle_J_Wick

To reduce your pov arguing the with multi-spawn approach or referring to a dysfunctional MM looks comprehensible, but your own examples with ODLs or single tank line-ups demonstrate that Ground RB is already severely affected by other factors - and if CAS is the reason for people to leave: What harm can a few slots for dedicated pilots produce?

I think our current system is pretty flawed to say the least. So many variables can and will decide the match before it even started, which is something that we need to fix before implementing new features, if you know what I mean. It’s gotten to the point that majority of our modes are in a dire need of a complete overhaul, especially higher up you go.

To answer your question, I don’t think it would be bad to have a few dedicated pilot slots, but you can have situations where, for example, 10 people want to be dedicated pilots in that match, but there’re only a few slots available. Some of them might take it on chin and move on while playing tanks, but some will definitely leave and try their luck in the next match. This isn’t good for obvious reasons.

This could be mitigated by implementing role-checkboxes before queueing for a match, where people would be able to choose what role(s) they will be playing, preventing the situation above from happening.

[O_HOgameplay]

It uses Gaijin’s calculator.

And if it did or not irl does not matter.

There are also many rounds that perform differently than irl, yet you don’t cry about those.

[O_HOgameplay]

1st grade maths qustion:
Which one is greater? 30 or 25?

[Real_K_Soze]

@O_HOgameplay

yet you don’t cry about those.

I am not crying - i just showed an example which kind of BS i see daily in the kill feed. Idc if gaijin thinks their calculator is right or wrong, the results are fantasy…

[O_HOgameplay]

I know.
Tho i think it is just easier for them to use, especially for some kind of prototype ammo without a lot of documentation.

Also (this is just a theory from my side) i think it also reduces the chances of some idiot leaking classified ammo documents, like that chinese guy did.

[LoL-LoL]

First balance cas planes in AIR RB where they are totally uselsss now

[SinisterIsRandom]

Rebalanced?. On the left, you have the highly intelligent geniuses who want it removed. On the right you have the ones who think they should be more expensive and only allowed to be used up to 6 times or for a limited amount of time.

In the middle, you have us who keep telling both to be quiet and complain to gaijin to fix the spawn point system, not the vehicle spawn points. As of right now its painful but we do our job.

[ULQ_LOVER]

@SinisterIsRandom

who want it removed.

You mean people that want another gamemode without planes to be added or an option like with night Battles that allows to have a game without planes?

[GrumpyWumpy]

Another lover of staying next to stone was bombed
Its time to create another thread about players that cost 650-900 SP are need to suffer

[ULQ_LOVER]

More like around 600 that gives You 2x 1000 lbs bombs and 4x HVAR rockets

[ColonelGriffin]

1. Rebalance SP costs, increasing costs for advanced weaponry, and keeping lower costs for ‘dumb’ weaponry like bombs/direct fire rockets. (Skilled players can still pull kills of with these, but SPAA get a much higher chance of killing them.
2. Rebalance how SP is earned, the old 1 cap in light vehicle = enough SP to spawn CAS needs to go.
3. Better rewards for killing air vehicles with SPAA, first spawn SPAA should be rewarded, and if multiple SPAA are spawned, there should be a good incentive to ‘fight’ over who gets a kill
4. Remove air spawns for planes, move helipads back. A helicopter with 10km missiles should not be able to hover over their pad to launch missiles and then immediately land to rearm. Make them have to come to the fight like everyone else. (For lower BRs, can keep helipads close since they range only 3km for their ATGMs)

[ULQ_LOVER]

@SinisterIsRandom

ignored comment.

As You ignore, You ignore Logic. Nothing special coming from people who refuse to be good in tanks and instead need planes. This is how it looks like in WT:

[Mytho-GR1]

My Spaa on really works on heils though