Going forward please take any personal arguments to PM rather than going off topic in a thread.
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Mid tier around 5.7-6.7 also has mostly dogwater SPAAs, never seen anyone with good air kill KD in them, the first good one is the 7.3 Shilka because it sees props or early jets like 262s, it doesn’t need to reload often, fully stabilized, good zoom and can fill the sky with leads, lower have to really rely on CAP else don’t even think about enjoying your tanks lol
Then we have the PGZ09 and M247 at high tier where things become decent, but so boring to play
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No scout markers for aircraft was literally the singular reasonable change. Everything else was completely insane.
Aircraft can appear over the battlefield within 45 seconds from the start of the game, with the exception of those who think M19’s and M42’s are battle tanks, who would pick a SPAA vehicle first up? Then later in the game what chance do SPAA vehicles have against 7 in the air at one time…fire once and 7 pairs of eyes are on you. Hide, not a chance. I’ve been shot up in a building with a roof and engine turned off. Like to know how you combat a 5000kg bomb dropped from 1500m! Aircraft ruin TANK battles.
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Cap planes in combined battles? No such thing! Every one carries bombs, even NIGHT FIGHTERS. First thing is to not waste bombs…bomb first, one bomb at a time (even underwing 500+kg without spinning in) from their Impossible bombload. With the exception of Simulator, they don’t even have to take off…lucky because the runways are not 10km long. Then after everything is spent, dogfighting…nah! Much easier to locate an open topped or soft vehicle and crash into them. No such thing as CAP. If you want to dogfight Simulator air battles is the place to go. Land battles ONLY should be a separate category. There, I’ve not even suggested removing CAS from TANK BATTLES…and I HATE CAS! Just stating the obvious.
Ugh i can see you don’t know how to play…
shot at one and the other 6 know where you are?
THATS VERY GOOD
know why? to bomb or kill you they have to fly in a straight line diving on you (80% of players do it) it makes them easy to kill …
you die?? respawn in the second SPAA you have… (I have always 2 even top tier)
if you still can’t do anything then that just goes into a skill issue…
if you die to a bomber it is your falt you sit in one spot for the time of your spaa voyage in that session… be MOBILE bombers after droping a bomb from 1.5km can’t kill you in any other way… you can outrun the bomb and move to a safe distance…
and that would be the “lack of decent SPAA at all BRs” part.
Id say the issue at 5.7-6.7 isnt that CAS is too strong, but that there is a total lack of adequate SPAA.
Take Britain for example, the best you have is the Skink until 8.3. Or in other words, nothing .
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The best SPAA is the G6, mate
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funny coming from the guy who is
- spewing nonsensical ideas
- not bothering to read anything
- not bothering to spell words
right now, CAS is hilariously easy to spawn, so i dont see any reason why nerfing CAS requires lowering spawnpoints. your imaginary cope argument is making no sense, you simply want to fuck over ground players uninterrupted with CAS.
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You are saying mobile means only works for spaa that don’t use surface-to-air missile (SAM) missiles because you need to keep the missile aiming at the plane to get a hit.
You are saying outrun a bomb next to you works against noobs but not against experience CAS players who drop the bomb just 5 meter next to you and your spaa is destroyed.
Second SPAA, I bet you think people spend SL on extra slots for verhicles.
I spawn in pure CAP aircraft all the time. Heck I remember doing so not that long ago and spent the next 10 minutes waiting for trade. I think all the Cas that was spawned that match was a single drone
Probably because CAS is already stupidly nerfed. The moment all nations get even something Pantsir level, CAS at top tier will probably need a buff, let alone if we actually get better than Pantsir SPAA, at which point CAS can get totally unnerfed.
At lower BRs there isn’t really much of an issue bar the gaps in nations SPAA line. CAS really isn’t all that strong below 9.3 ISH
The problem is, that won’t happen. There is no Pantsir level SPAA for anyone but russia. high end SPAA is already historically end of the line. Nato nations simply don’t use short-mid range SPAA. So unless Gaijn doesn’t want to implement Patriot missile systems, there is no solution to the problem.
I think they should make high tier CAS extremly expensive to spawn. Minimum 1500 spawn points or something. If you want to pay this for a SU-30, or Rafalle, no problem, just play lower tier CAS without braindead F&F missiles you can shoot from 20km…
Gaijin are already adding new SPAA
With the Type 625E for China and the EldE 98 for Sweden already hinted at for the next major update
Its more than likely we can expect to see vehicles like SLAMRAAM Humvees firing AMRAAMs for the US or Skysabre firing CAMM for Britain this year. Those systems would greatly outrange the Pantsir and would require major buffs for CAS if they are too compete
I play GRB to fight tanks, not die to guided missiles from vehicles I have no hope of countering. And no, spawning a jet isn’t a counter because I would just play air if I felt like flying.
A tank getting hit by CAS is as fair as CAS getting shot down by AI AAA.
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all i’ve gathered from my time on the forums is that most threads with any controversial topic just turns into “this group bad!!” and “this group sucks!!”
US/USSR/Germany Mains, CAS/AntiCAS, etc. etc.
gets to the point where people are replying to one another to insult, not discuss
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Are planes still almost silent in GRB?
Major reason I stopped playing RB was the silent killers from above - you don’t even hear them until their auto-cannons are strafing and killing you.
It’s ridiculous - war planes make waaaaay more noise than what is depicted in war thunder.