For russian vehicles, having a 1.7 BR difference between modes is fine.
However the Tornados, F111 and so on are at their GRB BRs (±.3). Why is the premium allowed to be flyable but busses with AIM-9s are not?
They are slower than F4 Phantoms with bombs on them, have subpar flight performance in low and high speed yet sit at absurdly high BRs for their ARB performance.
It comes with egg roll
Tornado has AIM-9Ls that bring its BR to 11.3 in air where it’s fine.
1200 chaff + that speed is fine for 11.3 when you have AIM-9Ls and go supersonic.
The Tornado IDS also has a 1.0 BR difference between air and ground. 11.3 for air, 10.3 for ground.
Tornadoes are identical speed as F-4Js for bombing, if not slightly faster.
Tornadoes were slower when they were forced to takeoff all the time though, and GR1 is still slightly slower at lower altitudes, but bombing F-4s don’t climb so… they tend to be slower than climbing GR1s.
No. F-4 will always get the base first. Tornado extremly hard to use in Arb. Mig-21 or any fighter with 2 napalm bombs will be 10km in front of you, when they light up the base. Your Nado with 6 neccessary HE bombs is too slow.
Last testing at sea level: No, I never use paper stats.
Tornado IDS goes mach 1.06 with 6 1000 pound bombs.
F-4 goes mach 1.05 with napalm, and 1.06 with 1000s.
F-4FG1/FGR2 go the fastest of the Phantoms.
However, going up to 3000, Tornado IDS goes mach 0.2 - 0.5 faster.
Edit:
Napalm caused more drag than bombs during that testing, so I will test again tomorrow to see if this old information needs updating.
Cuz tornado isn’t russian
WOWEE, another post where AlvisWisla, knower of all knows says something and it’s completely wrong again.
You go high, you die. Ever heard about these things called SARH missiles?
you can notice that he is in every post thats somewhat related to russia lol (J22 is in russian TT)
There is only one jet that will give my Tornado trouble at altitude: F-4J/S/FG1/FGR2.
All others, that’s what the 1200 chaff is for. Constant chaff streams even stop Mig-23s and 25s.
@Super_Duper_Guy
There are zero Tornadoes in the Soviet tech tree.
J22 isn’t the subject of this topic, it’s just an example.
The inferior Su-17M4 is 11.0, so clearly that’s not the answer.
Last time I checked, that’s 4 jets. Last time I also checked, the R24 is capable of filtering chaff. Same for the F4E and it’s 7E-2 missiles.
The J22 is the topic of the discussion, it’s in the title.
The “inferior” SU17 has 6 R60Ms instead of two 9Ls, can bring up to 400 flares instead of 56 flares and has an actual flight model that allows it to actually fight some things and win.
And yes, it has a better flight model than the Tornados. Please don’t make this another Mig 29 vs M2K discussion.
Not right on topic, but imagine how a P-16 from the Fifties feels right now…
That’s why I just pre-chaff when I hear tone.
1200 chaff can’t be eaten through in even 10 minutes.
The J-22 doesn’t have air to air missiles.
So you could remove the AIM-9Ls from Tornado and it’d be ~9.7 - 10.0.
Su-17M4 has a worse flight model notably the slowest of the afterburning bombers, the only thing Su-17M4 can do more than Tornado IDS is sustain a turn a bit better… which doesn’t help when bombing.
R-60Ms are inferior to AIM-9Ls, they’re AIM-9P4 equivalent.
The reason J-22 is 10.7 in ground is due tot he glide missiles, without them it’d be 10.0 [Ayit].
Edit: Reformatted paragraph 3.
Here are some images of top speeds: They seem to have fixed the drag speeds of napalm on Phantoms.
6400 meters:
Sea level:
Random note but im very surprised they didnt ship the J-22 with any sort of a2a ordnance such as R-3S or R-60
Why are you making this into a Russian bias issue, this is the worst way you can approach attackers being overtiered at high tier.
Because the F-111C/F are properly placed in air RB, and the Tornados as a whole as well as the Su-24 are placed at most 0.3 too high in air RB.
The 11.0 Su-22s are better in air RB and they aren’t even the best 11.0s.
I feel sorry for you, if you really think 6x R60M are inferior to just 2 Aim-9L. Not even talking about 250 flares vs. 50. Also PD radars filter out chaffs. Can you please stop posting here. 1200 chaffs are good for exactly nothing. To evade you need to notch and chaff. Tornado is a bus, you can’t notch in time. So the chaffs have no use, Mr.
@Thodin
The only 11.3 PD radar is Viggen, which shows up as F-16 on the Tornado RWR, featuring a Skyflash missile.
I’ve yet to even be locked by a Viggen due to their slow speeds causing them to be behind their friendlies a lot of the time.
I’ve been locked by F-4J/S [the primary PD radar you’ll face in uptiers] less than 5 times, and each time I just turned… toward my friendlies, & they dealt with them.
All non-PD radars I just chaff the moment I hear lock tone, & the only one that has ever launched was an F-4E I didn’t start chaffing on initially.
You shouldn’t feel sorry for Tornado mains, we learned these things from the first Tornado brought to the game.
I still haven’t ran out of the 56 flares in a match since the vehicles’ introduction.
