Assuming range is correct, and if not assuming range is fixed, then Brimstone will be capable of that yes.
It has the ability to bomb, while being stealth, that was my point.
It’s very hard to do so, and waste time, risky of lost target, besides SM3 has only gen1 thermal, can’t see things clear in that range.
The new su34 wont be a bad platform
22500kg empty, 5000kg fuel necessary for ground battles, 8000kg+ necessary for air battles, same engines as Su-27 which weighs 6000kg less.
Unless you mean weapons which yeah it’ll be good. Not better than NATO options obviously, but still good enough.
good enough to be a F-16C equal in top
The fact still stands: the USA is the main producer of Stealth Aircrafts with part of the specs public
Russia’s Su-57 can barely function as a 4th gen aircraft and China’s J-20 is on par with the F-22 but 99% of its specs are secret
They do not even allow something different exists!
KH-38 is one of many OP missiles for top BR.
Ugh you really defend all that is ussr so you can play without brain on right?
Most of your posts you hang as much as possible to other things and say it is balanced or similar…
Now was there a pantisir in that game?
Why do I ask?
well you can use the agm all day and if there is a single guy who uses brain and plays pantsir he will kill all your missiles going for him and if you want to get closer to him good luck…
While su-34 with kh’s can do it much much easier get close or even shoot from far ADATS/ITO no chance to kill off even 4 missiles going for them…
so yes ks-38 is op taking into account that usst has the best spaa in game on it’s side as well
@Fat_Fury
So you’re claiming that because I call missiles [which obviously includes KH-38] OP that I’m defending the USSR?
Prove to us that Rafale and F-15I are Soviet aircraft, I’ll wait.
A bad CAS player targeting Pantsirs instead of tanks is a skill issue, there’s a reason the Rafale and F-15I targeted tanks, not Pantsirs. As you can see from the frag feed.
Weird of you to “defend” the KH-38 after being annoyed that I “defended” the KH-38.
Also the fact your post argues that playing MBTs is “playing without a [redacted insult]” is absolutely hilarious.
Where did I say playing MBT’s is…
hmm?
That’s my point you try to turn around the conversation by addind things I did not say and you really try it hard lol…
A good Cas player eliminates spaa first to then have a free sky for some time drop get back to AF reload and repeat btu guess what pantsir is OP now add to that missiles of which other SPAA’s can’t shot down easilly means that one country has an edge…
And yes other missiles don’t give you even an advantage just llike kh-38 gives it to you…F&F with speed and good SPAA support so you can fly safe around the AO
@Fat_Fury
I’ve said all I play at top BR are tanks now. I haven’t touched CAS in months because it’s less effective than bringing another tank for the spawn points paid. That and I have tanks to spade, not aircraft.
So those are 2 of 4 primary reasons I stopped playing CAS. The other two reasons are: It got boring and
I called KH-38 OP, and you come in with some rant about me defending USSR all because I called the KH-38 OP; which is YOU defending the KH-38.
Then you make a claim that I want to make my life easier… which in the context of MBTs I do, I want CAS to stop being OP.
And at the end after your rant against me calling the KH-38 OP, you literally parrot my take that KH-38 is OP.
ALL CAS with F&F AGMs allow you to fly safe outside SPAA range. Speed only matters for tanks dying to other tanks, nothing else.
And yes, all F&F AGMs are hard to shoot down, that is common knowledge.
you said “one of the OP missiles” now show me how other missiles are OP?
Brimmstone of which only the number you can carry is op?
Or maybe mavericks with it’s flight speed?
you see all of the missiles suffer from 2 things they are too slow and even if f&f they are easy to kill with the pantisr combo
While kh-38 is fast and they are mostly covered by the best spaa in game…
so calling other missiles OP is no where near accurate
@Fat_Fury
Brimstone is not fire and forget, why would you mention them?
AGM-65D/G, Hammer, PGM /3, and KH-38 all share the same exact IR seeker in War Thunder currently.
Speed only matters in relation to your frag getting “stolen” by a tank on the ground.
Pantsir, ADATS, etc can only intercept weapons whose glide paths are going directly at them.
If your ordnance is getting intercepted by ADATS, Pantsir, etc, target tanks, and launch from the side of the battlefield.
Also there is no “best SPAA” in the game, all are incapable of dealing with top CAS in War Thunder; and is entirely off-topic and irrelevant to KH-38.
Keep defending the KH-38, all you do is prove everyone in this topic correct.
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I am not defending kh-38 I don’t even have them lol
I cant stand any longer after I seen this
coparing ADATS with Pantsir is a terrible decision, the only thing that ADATS could done better than Pantsir is to shoot tanks with its missle
Firstly, it is relevant to the balance issue with KH38 due to how CAS works. Secondly, I agree that all SPAA in the game currently is incapable on dealing CAS planes, but Pantsir is the closely one to the passing line. By having the best shield and best spear the balance libra has been changed. Part of the reason why KH38 is powerful is because there isnt a great shield against it
I would only compare KH38 with AGM-65D/G, they have same IR seeker and number of loadout, yet they are still different on speed and explosive mass. KH38 hitting near a tank and AGM65 hitting near a tank are very different outcomes
and most improtantly, in order to reduce the probability of misunderstanding. Im not defending KH38 by saying it is powerful. Im saying KH38 being powerful is because I wish to nerf it. It is the one of the op CAS ammunitions in the game and I dislike them
Sorry in advance if you find any of the words offend or hard to read acorss, my brain has malted down after bad sleep quility
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@Team_404_nyto
Another dude defending the KH-38 despite it literally having a copy-paste seeker of AGM-65D at this time.
Yes, the reason why KH-38, AGM-65D/G, PGM /3, and Hammer are all OP is cause the only way to defend against them is to be near trees and buildings.
And yes, your post can defend the KH-38 cause you want to nerf it, that’s still defending it.
Also there’s nothing to nerf with these missiles; they’re going to add SPAA this year finally for all 10 tech trees.
I was not a fan of you assuming I was comparing useless SPAA platforms when I wasn’t. I don’t think ADATS nor Pantsir can hit off-line ordnance with any form of consistency; the most people have done is provide conjecture.
I did not denies that the seeker are ths same, I was talking about speed and mass
and there could be a nerf with not the missile but the amount of missiles they can carry
and yes, I would change my mind after they add in any new capable SPAAs but I would not change my mind before it. fire and forgot ordnance should be limited either by their platform or by how many they could carry
and very last, defending means " to [protect] someone or something against [attack]or [criticism]" from the dictionary, how could I defend something while I am criticising it?
Which requires a historical report. Artificial nerfs should never come to War Thunder.
Saying something is OP is defending it.
Saying something is bad is a negative criticism of it.