Kh38 is the most OP missile in the game, bar none
If kh38 doesn’t affect the game balance, then neither will sulfur
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Personally, i would use the agm65 over the kh38 just because of the horrible platform the kh38 is on.
The f16 is currently the best cas in game but i think another nation should get the edge.
I think the brimstone with radar would be okay if smoke had chaff elements. Not sure if enough of top tier can carry it to be added though.
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f16 is indeed better as a carrier aircraft, but I think we should also consider the air defense we should face. 95 is still a threat at 15km, while vt1 is basically no threat at 10km. Kh38 has a range far exceeding 10km.
Also true. Kh38 on the su25 caj be much stronger thaj the f16 with agm65 assuming there is no enemy air, clear weather, and open map.
But for the average game, i would take the f16 over the su25.
I tried the kh38s and at long ranges, they have maybe a 20% hit rate. The laser version will hit nore often but you have to fly towards the field while not turning.
Sort of a preference. Do you want better flexiblity and hit chance or be able to fire at long range
i hate it when spaa use smoke to fool my kh38
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Brimstone i guess that why gaijin only left it with just laser when it can guide by both radar and laser
Yeah yeah other When Russians have it fine other have it OP thing all over again
Not all anti-aircraft vehicles have smoke bombs
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That’s the truth
Gaijin escalated the problem
it’s just a Pantsir problem, SU-25SM3 isn’t a F-16C equal, but it’s staying at same br, it should be SU-34.
Though SU-34 should come after others gets better SPAA equal to Pantsir.
speaking about Brimstone, it should be one of the best agm to fight with Pantsir. IOG+Laser allows it to be fired even out the Pantsir’s range, and Western all-aspect pod allows the carrier to guide it while keep distance.
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Likewise, AGM65 is not the equivalent of KH38
The equivalent of kh38 should be agm154
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so, you have totally no idea of what’s these things are, and just throwing rants with a dozen of threads.
There are KH-38 equals
AGM-53
AGM-84
but a glide bomb/missile is never a KH-38 equal, it’s not same thing.
Great missile on a bad platform vs a good missile on a great platform.
KH-38 is not the most OP missile.
It has the same lock-on range as AGM-65D/G, and is about the same as AGM-65G against ground targets.
Now, KH-38 has a longer range when locked onto the GROUND, but this doesn’t matter in War Thunder, and there’s no SPAA system at or above the range of 20km [there isn’t a SPAA system that’s consistently above the range of 13km against jet CAS currently. Pantsir sometimes hits out to 15km against a 9000 meter target.]
But yes, KH-38 on-paper is more powerful than AGM-65D/G.
In practice they do the same thing of being fired beyond the range of SPAA.
Soviets still don’t have a CAS equivalent to F-16C yet, and won’t until Su-3X likely.
Soviets will once again be 2nd worst in CAS next to Japan; and while this doesn’t bug me, it bugs some people. It bugs Russian mains enough to false-flag my posts praising how powerful Tornado GR4 is going to be.
lol Unless KH-38 suddenly gets a TARGET lock-on range beyond its current 20km, AND SPAA vastly superior to Pantsir is added to the game, KH-38 and AGM-65 perform the same function.
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SU-34 is coming
KH-38’s speed is an advantage, but most people just focus on the useless range.
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Su-34 doesn’t have a thermal targeting pod, and KH-38s will still be 20km… but without a targeting pod the launch range from Su-34 will be less than that of Su-25SM3 cause target acquisition is important.
While I can lock and launch consistently at 18km using Harrier GR7, I cannot do that using F-4F ICE… cause the missile’s integral thermal solution is not good enough.
Same thing will happen with Su-34.
Su-30? or Su-33? get a thermal targeting pod.
usually, it’s 12km if use track mode, 20km will be a point mode, not so useful, and you can still use KH-38’s thermal, it’s good enough. and KH-38 do have speed advantage, so it will make SU-34 a good F-16C equal.
except no external all-aspect pod will make KH-38ML useless, because you need to fly towards SPAA to keep lock. But if so, it will be too OP because it can really attack in 20km away.
Speed of a 9000 meter altitude AGM launch does not really matter.
If the target died before the missile arrived… the targets still gone.
Also no aircraft can attack from further than 20km away currently as 20km is the max range of all targeting systems at this time.
I mean 20km max, not over. and speed do matter, it affects time left for SPAA to shoot it down, and if the target move to something’s back and lost lock.
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I’m sorry,but this is not the case
People are comparing the Kh-38 to the Brimstones,when in reality the Brimstones are far superior even without their LOAL mode. The Kh-38 we have in game sure has a lot of range,but you need to constantly lase the target in order to get a hit,and this can expose yourself to weaknesses like a SPAA that is outside your FoV or a CAP jet approaching onto you.
Real-life Brimstones,on the other hand,are the literal definition of “random bulls*** go!” :you mass spam them into the general direction and they pick up different targets while also discriminating the enemies from the allies. If a Brimstone locks you,you better have a building near you to take cover or chaff smoke/EW jammers because otherwise you’re dead in one hit.
Imagine playing like usual,dying outta nowhere due to a Brimstone and seeing in the killcam a GR.4 approaching the airfield,that is honestly annoying
And before anyone starts with the “they’re adding the Grom to the Russians” the Grom is a Kh-38 that has a GLONASS seeker instead of a laser one, meaning that the simple counter to it is moving 50-80 metres away. It’s a glorified JDAM, that’s it
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AGM65 can only lock onto a moving target within 10 km, and KH38 is obviously different. If 154 can’t match KH38, how can AGM65D match KH38?