Please look in either Typhoon thread. Though its getting a MASSIVE buff in the next hotfix
From about 19km, the AMRAAM is mostly on its own and radar performance becomes largely irrelevant.
Again, Hu? Sounds like user error to me
you started typing the moment my comment aired into the forum
I did look typhoon thread and typhoon radar commentary and as I say, it doesn’t work in TWS, no TWS mode works now.
You also misinterpret what I say, I launch amraam with a hard lock (since TWS again does NOT work) and release them when I see the target is about 10km away from the missile. Even when I launch them within pitbull range on targets going 400-1000m high the missiles will simply refuse to track.
Again, Hu? Sounds like user error to me
So blaming me for the codes, aren’t we? are we, rage baiter you hath me called, rage baiting, you are. In other words, you’re saying i’m bad at the game because i coded the f18 radar to be less chaff resistant than the f-4e radar (reminder that it’s in THE code the resistance to chaff and I am NOT the one touching the code) thereby we conclude you’re the one that is ragebaiting (if we add how you ignore my other points and keep focusing on how bad TWS on captor m is, despite the aircraft using it has all the performance to defend and bvr).
Cryge me a river, you cannot compare the f18 to the goddamn eurofighter.
As one of the idiots who has two identical phantoms (F-4K/M) in the same BR with the same limited ahistorical-ish loadout(No AIM-9L granted, and remains inferior to F-4J/S in weaporny side due to being stuck with historical AIM-7E-2)
I think we don’t need to make all three USN Hornet identical (F/A-18A, F/A-18C Early, F/A-18C Late)
Especially when it is in the way of ‘limiting its maximum capability’
I agree with you on only one single point.
[F/A-18A should move up to 12.7]
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This is either user error or the target is simply defending.
Please link replay of this.
I have never had an AMRAAM fail to work regardless of launch platform. They have mised sure, but due tto a reason. Not “the game code is bad”. If they are missing at 10km, you either fired them wrong or the target defended
In the 14.0 F-18, the “chaff resistance” of the radar is almost entirely irrelevant as it doesnt matter if your radar gets chaffed. Unless you are using Aim-7s.
F18A is fine at 12.7 with the missiles, there is no rafale to worry about.
F18C would be fine too at 12.7 with two sparrow M and four aim9l. It is facing irccm and large caliber countermeasures anyway.
So you want the F-18C late to be a straight downgrade over the 3x F-18s already at 12.3/12.7 even though its fine at 14.0?
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AFAIK, F/A-18A is currently in ‘12.3BR’ while having almost all of F-18C Early’s capability.
It just can’t use AIM-7P, but still maintains 7M, and can be considered as an undertiered one.
Again, I just can’t understand why you want artificially nerf weaponry of F/A-18C Late to send it down from 14.0 to 12.7
@Morvran, if we consider OP’s theory, do we also need to remove AIM-120 from both Tonka F.3 Late and SHAR FA.2, because both of them can’t fight against Rafale? :|
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F14A is .3 higher with a worse kit as no 9L and B has same kit at .7 higher just to back up your point
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This is either user error or the target is simply defending.
Please link replay of this.
First of all I really cannot find the exact replay of “the-moment-i-had-a-chance-to-launch-a-slammer-before-a-mica-got-me-across-the-map-while-i-was-within-multipath”. I have videos though, and i plan on uploading them. The planes were doing anything where an r3r would still have hit.
I have never had an AMRAAM fail to work regardless of launch platform. They have mised sure, but due tto a reason. Not “the game code is bad”. If they are missing at 10km, you either fired them wrong or the target defended
“regardless of launch platform” yet you don’t play any of the f-18s to see what it is like to miss the hard lock to a single chaff pop.
In the 14.0 F-18, the “chaff resistance” of the radar is almost entirely irrelevant as it doesnt matter if your radar gets chaffed. Unless you are using Aim-7s.
How is it not relevant? Whether I used TWS (gets affected by chaff) during first guidance (not using it cause tws does not work), or I use hard lock, it does matter. It gets chaffed under any angle, the target doesn’t even need to notch. And so do the aim120c’s, they do get easily chaffed. They do work if the guider is an f-15e keeping a hard lock, i’ve managed to dodge six of them in a row from a guy that launched them one by one without keeping the lock, then I died to an airfield SPAA.
so tonka is the tornado, and SHAR is?
Sea Harrier fa2? Yeah that thing is imo more overtiered than the f18c late.
Do it.
Absolutely. Tornado F3 and Tornada F3 Late can both be 12.0, with just teh difference of Stage 2G vs Stage 3 radars
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excuse my expression (don’t flag) but i believe that a worse av8a with just two pylons against the rafale is bullocks.
You are reliant upon multipathing to defend at top tier?
Houston, we’ve found the problem.
I’ve gotten 60km kills with the Aim-120C5 in the Typhoon having been defending and the target no longer being guided long before they’ve gone pitbull. Whether you hard lock or not, I dont beleive makes any difference to the quality of updates the missiles is getting. People just tend to hard lock when firing over TWS due to TWS being finnicky at times.
Then, why do we need to play SHAR FA.2 and Tonka F.3 late, when we can have SHAR FRS.1 and Tonka F.3 in lower BR, and will cost lower RP requirement to upgrade and spade?
Weeee, I am happy that we are going to have another Phantom FG.1/FGR.2 case!
/s
:P
Just need that Tornado Gr1A & GR1B foldered under the GR1 now as well.
(A replaces 1 of the guns with sensor pod and the B adds Sea Eagles)
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You are reliant upon multipathing to defend at top tier?
I think you’re forgetting that the f-18 has no performance to defend itself from incoming missiles other than multipath and hiding behind mountains if it kinda works. Others on the other hand can counter f18s from above because first of all, they can defend off their aim120s by simply flying slightly perpendicularly, and secondly , aim9m’s for some weird reason will default to hittig the ground even if you launch them at a target flying above your altitude. Apparently you still don’t know about the term “altitude privilege”. It means when an aircraft has a combination of performance, armament and defensiveness to safely dominate the sky from the altitude. In other words: have air superiority. Does the f18 work as an air superiority fighter? it’s not designed for that, whether irl whether warthunder. I hope this solves all your future doubts about my complaints.
I’ve gotten 60km kills with the Aim-120C5 in the Typhoon having been defending and the target no longer being guided long before they’ve gone pitbull. Whether you hard lock or not, I dont beleive makes any difference to the quality of updates the missiles is getting. People just tend to hard lock when firing over TWS due to TWS being finnicky at times.
then captor m works, doesn’t it? Yet again, i think you forget that the f-18 has horrible performance and even launching an amraam from 10km of altitude onto a target going 30km away it will still not reach, or because again it’s an f-18, get chaffed because, again, it’s an f18 and the missile will take longer to reach pitbull distance. But the most common scenario in this case is that, because you’re an f-18 and your radar is so bad and you are so slow, you are probably going to get killed by a missile going faster while you try to relock because the missile will not reach pitbull on time, because you are slow and have a bad radar and cant defend from other missiles. In other words, because you’re an f18.
So next time you say “any of the platform”, just speak from the POV of the Eurofighter because you really haven’t used any other aim120 platform other than that and maybe the tornado f3.
Launch altitude actually has a bigger impact on performance than launch speed. This is why IRL, FA2s outranged the F3 by quite a bit even though they were using the same missile. The FA2s would fire from about 10k ft (approx 3km) higher than the F3s, despite the FA2s being around 0.8 mach and the F3s usually higher above Mach 1.
Again, a lot of this sounds like you are using the AMRAAMs wrong. They are not SARH, they do not require hard lock guidance. Just point your radar, in TWS, in the general direction of the target and it should get all the guidance updates it needs. If you arent being engaged, keep the radar pointing the direction because it can sometimes help.
Terrian masking is a perfectly valid way to defend, but Multipathing should rarely be used, but I would suggest side climbing to 10k-20k ft and then turn in hot. This is generally what I do in the FA2 which is much slower than the F-18 and probably turns worse as well. Dont try to beat the F-15s and Typhoons in long ranged BVR because you will fail, but firing an AMRAAM low at a target that is low, will never work, you might as well jsut run pure Aim-9Ms and leverage your low speed performance advantage you have over most aircraft.
I have used the Tornado F3 Late, Sea Harrier FA2, Gripen C (though granted thats R-Darter not AMRAAM, so even weaker) and the Typhoon.
I’ve gotten kills just fine with all 4. Sure, the F-18 wont be winning in pure FM, instead it has 10x Aim-120C5s to use, you can come in after people have expended energy during the initial fight defending and rain in hell. (though note, the F-18s radar can only support 4 at a time)
why does missile count matter if you can’t get to combat area in the first place? (due to the nature of the f-18, it is normal to have zero to negative battle presence, as in it either doesn’t impact the match or most likely gets killed before it can even see enemies) Then if you defend it is within the nature of the f18 to either compress or snap it’s wings. Besides, these 10 amraams are only obtained after unlocking every single tier to the bottom. Where eurofighters have it easier actually.
Uh…Dude, both F-18 and Typhoon unlcok Aim-120Bs at T4 and C5s afterwards. In the exact same configuration.
Also, Stock grind really? That is your entire argument?
Also, you arent even spaded yet. You dont have engine mode yet and are still running the stock loadout of ARH missiles. You dont even have the C5s yet
Do you really want to play the ‘cannot get to combat area’ card…?
I am double sure that F/A-18C is faster than SHAR.
Fun fact: if you have fewer modifications in the menu, the RP requirement of a single mod goes higher.
(Look at RP requirement of ‘all modification’ and divide it by the number of squares)
That was one of the minor reasons the Swedish main disliked their old F-18C compared to the USN counterpart.
no A2G weaponry, Fewer modifications, Higher requirement for a single mod (example, Flare/Chaff)
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