If you can’t evade aim-54, then you need much more training on top tier. Its not that hard. Notching, multi direction (change directions) flying, well placed chaff, running cold, evasive maneuvers, teammates (ok, this would be hard…) all works. Even Gaijin made a video for that. But no… you don’t use those options, you just: NERF the aim 54 and tomcats!!!
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You were gone 6 years ( a lot has changed ) you make a brand new account, and jump into top tier not understanding how the mechanics work at this br. Then its automatically the fault of the aircraft that you fly against, not the lack of experience of playing at this br is the problem?
An easy google search or forum search has plenty of information how to dodge the aim-54 its really not hard. They lowered the multipath by 40 meters ( which the community was asking for ) and everyone acting like they just got their dog ran over.
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When this topic was created a month ago
There was no ‘evading missile guide’ by Gaijin themselves.
of course, I can evade AIM-54 flying right into me unless I play Tornado shit (it has pos manoeuvrability which is even worse than F-104, attempting notch after the missile goes on is risky for it. need to
full defensive and notch the whole radar signal.)
But at the moment of a month ago, when the update was just released, and when this topic was created. It was just meaningless for evading AIM-54 of mine.
My team will lose half of the teammates by friggin Phoenix-spamming Tomcatters anyway and were gone outnumbered by a 1v2 or 1v3 ratio.
Plus+ There weren’t not much of planes which mounted RWR for alerting AIM-54 properly at that moment.
AIM-54 might be not a ‘big’ problem if the player’s skill level reaches the minimum requirement of playing top ranks. (Still, it is a bit annoying to make players forcing to play defensive while Phoenix is the only ARH which are placed lower than 13.0BR, and there is no counterpart missile for the rest of the countries) It is easily notch-able unless you are flying some kind of brick shit without chaff, right?
But Tomcat THEMSELVES were really annoying plane before BR Extension. They were powerful planes thanks to 4th Gen Maneuverability and AIM-7F/M. still, it kicks ass against worse counterpart SARHs like Super 530F or Skyflash. while those guys are blaming all around about R-27ERs :|
AIM-54 acted as ‘the cherry on the top’ type of weaponry at that time.
The new BR Extension feels flop for me (too many flaws like F8U-2 or A-5C.)
but at least I don’t face many of those damn tomcats with my attacker variant Tornado or Sea Harrier.
Also heard that Tomcats now gets more uptier matches than before. I hope they feel happy to face more AIM-120 while playing F-14. :P
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Skill issue. Tornado IDS is still my go to bomb sled in top tier EC matches, even against AMRAAM slingers. People bitch about its manueverability way too much. Its not realistic, but it is functional
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I was thinking about the ADV variant. Its engine goes fubar and becomes sluggish on high alt, making it risky to evade AIM-54 ‘after it fired’. it might be a skill issue though :|
and I exaggerated a bit maybe? Of course, many of AIM-54 miss when I go defensive and notching. but sometimes… :/
ADV has better performance than the IDS
I thought ADV had a worse performance than IDS for turn rate.
Maybe a human error caused by ‘bad memories last longer’ :/
sorry for the error.
Anyway, I never thought a monthly aged topic could get resurrected from a tomb.
For now, I feel just ‘fine’ with those tomcats and AIM-54 after the new BR changes.
I still feel them as somewhat kind of nasty planes but on an acceptable level. (seems They go uptier matches more times than before changes. causing fewer downtier slaughter.)
They are too strong at 12.0 and a 2-4 of them still completely dictate high level engagements. Aim54C take a huge amount of chaff to spook. It’s only going to get worse with the new F-14 event vehicle.
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If you think air battles are bad, try America toptier ground battles.
oh no no no. I am not that dumb enough for that, buddy.
I heard plenty of bad reps about those Click-baits from friends and saw a few of them too when I tried my Challenger DS :x
Why are you lying??? It takes ZERO chaff to decoy. God. Everyone in this thread advocating for F-14 nerfs is stupid.
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Premium player gets slammed by the skillcheck missile. Where have we heard this before?
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Why are you responding with that to a comment that says they are fine?
The only ones I’d deem too good is the IRAF due to it facing planes with pretty trash RWRs (Mig-23MLA for example). They also force a team into a defensive position in a downtier which isn’t super balanced.
No, they do not
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He’s the author of this topic, and now that the F-14s are overtiered without any buffs, he says they’re “fine”. BS.
I also like how you say “They also force a team into a defensive position” like that’s a bad thing. That’s the only thing it can do in its current state. And you can’t use the “It’s beating on pl so unfair!1!11!” argument when it has the worst RWR for it’s BR.
It’s not like they can go down. ARH missiles don’t belong below 12.7, and BR compression can explain the rest of the balancing.
Which makes it incredibly strong, because it allows their team to easily go on the offensive. Being forced to defend without any way of fighting back sucks, especially in something like a Mig-23 with abysmal RWR. You are severely underestimating how powerful that ability is.
I think the Ja37DI has it worse. Plus, in a downtier it faces planes with truly terrible rwrs.
They have gone up in BR since release, but that’s due to decompression.
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thats all the people do on the forums is whine about american planes.
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That’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying the buffs that needed to come to the Tomcats didn’t come, which makes it unworthy of being that BR. And with planes like the J35XS going down, there was no need to bring the tomcats up. The problem wasn’t itself, it was the enemies it was facing.
- It’s not the entire team. With the IRIAF it’s a maximum of 4 and with the A it’s a maximum of 6. And that’s assuming you use all of them or they all hit. If it’s such a problem, turn cold away from the missiles (anything over 89 degrees) and the missile can’t see you anymore. It’ll switch to IOG, miss you, and you can turn back in after like 5 seconds.
- “Being forced to defend without any way of fighting back sucks” Huh. That kinda sounds like a full uptier problem and not the F-14 problem. Every plane experiences this. It’s not a “strong ability” if it can be countered by not being AFK or a zomber. You don’t need a good RWR to see missile trails or check the leaderboard for a full uptier + America on the opposing team.
This is also untrue. The Ja37DI has launch warnings and it’s easy to see where the enemy is coming from with the big flashing sectors. The F-14A has no launch warnings, can’t identify anything, and it is hard to see where anything comes from with the thin, dotted lines.
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