It’s not hypocrisy in the slightest. They’re two separate discussions. How do you not see that lol.
Was one step higher.
Became two steps higher on Oct 2024.
Even though the fact that AN/ALR-46 RWR is insufficient for 4th Gen fight, it is one of the best 3rd Gen RWRs. It sucks. but there were a lot of worse.
It ‘was’ fine back in July.
When the F-14A got down-tiered into 10.7-11.7 or 11.3-12.3, it still was the only plane with ARH.
And They were not easily counterable due to RWR issues, and unfriendly tutorials. (Gaijin should’ve forced players to see ‘how to notch’ vids before buying Rank 7 jets)
You also played in that era too, right?
Half of the matches were American Civil War. The side which has a better Tomcat pilot wins.
Feels somewhat balanced when having Tomcats on ‘Both sides’ but still unsatisfying bc feels like becoming the minor role.
The problem was the other half. USA vs World matches.
Americans always dominated the match. Unless too much Basebombing F-4S with no missiles freeride the team and shit from F-4S hits the fan.
F-14 always spammed 4-6 Phoenixs without any skills for easy free kills.
Losing 30~50% of the team in every match as opponents.
There were basically nearly no chances non-US mainsSides unless Americans blundered badly.
Always outnumbered, Always outgunned, and usually ended up with a massacre.
As I claimed before, in that era, Getting hit by Phoenix on purpose ends pain quicker than resisting against mighty, glorious America.
It isn’t my fault that I had bad enough pilots with mediocre planes. Right?
Or Am I? Because I didn’t become one of your kinds and buying Tomcat?
Then I was roundly criticized by Tomcat-Mains with those premium bombers with no missiles as ‘Tomcat is perfectly balanced. It is just an F-4J with a swept wing. All you idiots whining about it is because you are skillless braindead bombers.’ for a long time.
And October 2024. F-14A got directly nerfed for the first time since it was introduced. (Every other BR change was an indirect side-effecting nerf by decompression)
I saw much of Tomcatfuggers crying about it.
Sorry for the aggression, I don’t give a damn about them. And I feel it is Karma of them.
hyperbolically, It is their turn to get spammed.
I agree that norm F-14A is overrated a bit for now. (thanks to IRIAF Variant with Fakour)
But, It can’t go down to 12.3 without losing AIM-54. even though it is the worst one, it is ARH. can’t be too low BR.
Sending F-14A IRIAF to 13.0 with decompressing again is better.
F-14A (Normal) shouldn’t be the same BR as F-14A IRIAF
and at the same time F-4J(UK) without AIM-7F shouldn’t be same BR with F-4J/S with AIM-7F.
Send F-4S to 12.3.
F-4EJ Kai, 2000C, MiG-21bison to 12.7.
F-15C to 14.0 and EF2000/F-15E to 14.3.
If F-14A goes back to 12.3, it will punish everything on down-tier with those 4th-gen fuselage.
Just like F-5C crybabies cry on the forum for being unplayable(Skill issue) the plane which they paid.
Were gone 11.0 at July decompression, and reverted halfway back to 10.7 in October.
or Ridiculous F-86A & MiG-15 buff in May which has done brain-deadly and ruined the early jet era.
Just like tomcat players claimed every critique as ‘whining of no-brain bombers and yelling learn to play’
Hyperbolically, Tomcat players should learn to play how to notch advanced ARH missiles AIM-120. :/
All I can wish for you about the current shit-hole status of F-14A is
‘Hopes Gaijin Decompress BR quickly and don’t makes F-14A face F-15C or Su-27SM. and fewer Tornado F.3 Late or F-4F ICE.’
The “Extended Chaff Adapter” is also an option, though would likely be exclusive with loading missiles on the tunnel stations, since the forward missile racks contain the coolant for the (Non-Sealed) AIM-54s.
It can also reportedly be loaded with Flares as well, but I don’t have useful sources for it, though it would allow for the ALE-29A to be dedicated to Flares, even without said compatibility so the count would in effect be increased.
“The dispenser held 120 rounds of Chaff/Flare and at the time the ECA Rail was used the chaff round end caps were either blue (RR-129) or yellow (RR-144) and the flare rounds were a dull brass color. The chaff rounds would go in the from 90 holes and the flares went in the back 30 holes (normal load out). The ECA Rail first came out in the early 80’s and was in service until the mid 90’s.”
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Gee… If only there were some way to know a Phoenix was coming towards you without RWR… Definitely no giant white line in the sky moving in an obvious direction for no shit 30 seconds to tell you a missile was coming… Not nothing at all.
Literal skill issue especially in RB where your 3rd person view gives you fantasy situational awareness for these things
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Yes. According to the characteristics of the missile, Phoenix itself might be considered a skill-check missile.
It is an annoying missile. It was the one and only ARH before the seek-n-destroy update, but it also can be defeated more easily than the rest of the more advanced ARHs.
But, if Phoenix goes combined with the 4th-gen fuselage of Tomcat, opponents they faced, and the awful compression which we had before thanks to Gaijin’s laziness.
The situation became complicated.
Every 30% of the team was vaporized by Phoenix(well, they will get killed by AIM-7F even if there was no Phoenix at all. They might buy more time before getting shot down with no effort), which caused an awful outnumbered situation.
IMO, Even though Phoenix itself can be considered as a skill-check missile, I think no plane which has a worse RWR than F-4J shouldn’t face F-14 at all.
Feels slightly similar to AIM-9L from A-10A fragging F-86 situation.
And, Tomcat itself also ‘was’ powerful even if we consider them without AIM-54.
It is 4th gen fighter which has good dogfighting ability.
It might not be the best dogfighter in this game, but it’s still enough to punish Starfighters or Phantoms.
Also, AIM-7F is one of the best ‘western’ SARH. Of course, it is worse than the infamous friggin R-27ER. Still, it can dominate against the rest of SARH, which they will face in the down-tiered match.
In summary, I am claiming that F-14A can’t go back to 12.3.
It was one frigging exploiter of compression, and it shouldn’t abuse that advantage again.
“But what about 2000C?”
- Yes. It is also a compression problem. It also should move up.
“Do you really think F-14A need to face AMRAAM from F-15C/J??”
- No. Current 13.7 planes like F-15C, Gripen, and Su-27SM also should move up and shouldn’t face F-14A USN. Just in the same way that F-104S got liberated from F-14A.
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A tomcat without phoenixes is flat out unacceptable
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Oh no no no
I didn’t mean to geld the Tomcat by removing AIM-54 once and for all.
It is one of the most charming points of F-14 itself
(On the balancing side, it created quite a painful headache due to its unique characteristics though)
Phoenix itself is one big and beautiful missile. Isn’t it?
It would be a shame if she lost her best charm.
I just wanted to point out that,
- even if we think of it as 4th-Gen F-4J, it ‘was’ still powerful back in those days.
Sorry for bad writing.
TMI: When I was kid, I was raptured by an F-14 on Ace combat, Flying over Dubai and Spamming Phoenix to enemies…
I kinda loved Tomcats just before starting WT :/
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Yeah, it was pretty insane on launch, but now with more aircraft that can fight it consistently at 12.3 or even 12.0, I think the base F14A should go back to 12.3 due to it’s bad RWR, 12.3 armament tbh, and weak early 4th gen flight performance, the IRIAF is fine where it is, and if the B is 13.0 it should have 9Ms. Even an F-4E can fight back against a tomcat.
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Well, I prefer proper decompressing further than sending F-14A USN back to 12.3 though
As long as there still are some dumb planes like F-104S or MiG-27 at 11.3
I understand that F-14A USN nowadays is having a hard time.
- Better opponents on lower BR like M2KC
- Superior IRIAF with Fakour in the same BR
- unresistible F-15C in uptier just like when F-14A was on release…
From ‘Public Enemy No.1’ to ‘unplayable compared to counterparts’
What a big size of drop-off. :'(
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I rather prefer to give AIM-9L for USN F-14A Early and puts same BR with Iranian model because AIM-54A/C could still get some buffs, it could get a bit insane if implemented at lower BR.
The Iranian F-14 should be just side grade to the TT model as it is still an event aircraft after all.
Yes. I think reverting F-14A USN to 12.3 will cause problems. Especially if AIM-54 gets buff.
On the current status and the current difference between ‘F-14A USN and F-14A IRIAF’ seems way bigger than just ‘sidegrade’
Thanks to Silly Fakour-90 which flies at lighting speed (Thanks! Thruster from MIM-23 xd )
Reminds me F-4J(UK) and F-4J/S problem :/
(no HMS, no AIM-7F, slightly worse RWR, but same BR on all modes thanks to Gaijin’s laziness)
Instead of rallying for the F-14s (especially the B) to be raised in BR for no good reason, you should rally for them to get buffed so they can go to higher BRs where they belong. That’s what most people have been doing for a while now.
No good reason? really?
Nah, reverting Nerf will cause nothing but stupid problems.
of course, reverting nerfs also makes F-14A happy.
But, Not in the way of ‘let her go proper position’.
Instead, of ‘letting her abuse the compression shitstorms all over again’.
F-14A USN and F-14B will be FINE if the compression problem gets solved better and better
when every decompression comes up.
if we decompress the BR properly. then BR gaps will become wider.
IMO, F-14A USN is a 12.5-ish kind of plane.
can’t go down to 12.3 thanks to some of its unique characteristics
but can’t stay at the current 12.7 BR ‘IF’ F-14A IRIAF stays on the same BR with F-14A USN.
Then there is only one option.
Creating position between current 12.3 and 12.7 with decompression.
Buffing the Phoenix for historically correct than now, or giving a countermeasure pod can be followed as extra care. if F-14A USN and F-14B perform awful even if they get treatment and don’t see F-15C anymore.
While you just got annoyed because I didn’t agree with your idea and you ended up with personal insulting. Tsk.
Yes. on the 11.7-12.7 match, F-14A are the only planes which carry missiles with ARH seekers.
Maybe. But not when F-14A were harassing matchmakers from 10.3-11.3 to 11.3-12.3
They were extremely underrated when it was released
Maybe. but F-4S also are an underrated plane compared to counterparts like F-4J(UK)/K/M from British or Mirage F1C. thanks to AIM-7F which is one of the best western SARH in this game.
If we need to make the gap between F-14A and F-4S narrow, let F-4S go 12.3 suits better.
Of course, current 12.3BR jets like Mirage 2000C or F-4EJ kai also need to move up to 12.7 if F-4S goes 12.3.
it is also the same compression problem.
Just like when F-14A was on 11.3 and saw Mirage IIIC.
F-14A USN shouldn’t see F-15C.
Unfortunately, F-14A Early can’t get any upgrades, except for AIM-9L and AIM-54A historical fixes.
F-14A received TARPS stuffs, BOL launcher, AIM-9M-8, AIM-54C, AIM-7MH/P ,AN/ALR-67 RWR, etc. before it was retired in 2004, but what we have currently in the game is based on the 1977 SAC, so we can’t receive them.
Even the AIM-9L was not listed in the 1977 SAC, and at best was only tested to kill QF-86F Sabre target drone at China Lake that same year.
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How about removing that silly (Early) tag on it?
I always thought that it was ridiculous.
Limiting F-14A just for adding at the same time with Top Gun Maverick. :/
when any nation except the US was not ready to face that beast…
I thought that they would add F-14A (Late) later than “Danger Zone” but sadly it never happens.
It seems Gaijin cherry-picked F-14A on 1977 SAC on purpose.
Just like Copy-Pasted Sea Harrier FRS.1 with only the difference of AIM-9L rail.
(I heard that the introduction of dual AIM-9L rail on SHAR was after the Falkland war. Forgot the source though)
cant deny, was good marketing idea, and i mean the tomcat shoudlve been first 4th gen ingame anyways so people would be complaining regardless
I would rather see it in the game in a different vehicle as “F-14A late” because F-14A in late 1990s to early 2000s are basically F-14B with TF-30. I assume it would comes as premium or whatever.
However, I would not that against to change from 1977 SAC to 1984 NATOPS loadouts because 1984 F-14A is actual tomcat from Top Gun movie and it can gets TCS, AIM-9Ls, AIM-7Ms.
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That would be better.
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Probably I will post F-14A(1984) suggestion in forum later :p
Oh BTW
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Welp, changing to a mid 80’s F-14A would also require some camouflage rework, but it wouldn’t be that big of a deal because it is not that differents from late 1970s to early 80s.
VF-1 Wolfpack from 1988
VF-2 Bounty Hunters from 1986-1988
VF-33 Starfighters from 1984 (literally same as we current have one except tail section)
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