I propose to lower the combat rating for the F-15E in Ground realistic battles

I mean as a Pantsir you have to play with either your monitor or your brain turned off to get killed by a mav. Sure you might not be able to shoot down the aircraft, but shooting down the mavericks it launched is the easiest thing in the world as a Pantsir.

But this goes for every aircraft with mavs, not just the F-15E.

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The F-15E’s maneuverability is about the same as the F-111F’s, heavy and not agile.
When I switched to it from the F-15C, I realized that it was a completely different aircraft, it often crashes into the ground, unable to pull out of a dive, or cannot turn to follow enemy aircraft. It is a very heavy aircraft that is not capable of maneuvering.

The J10 is a light fighter for close air combat, and the F-15E is a heavy strike aircraft.
You are comparing something that should not be compared.

That is 100% not true. It is sloppy but not to the same extent.

Ur problem. Put on the air breaks for the sake of it. The faster the less manoeuvrable.

And yet the entire thread is about chucking them into the same BR range in a mode built for ground strikes.

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If u want to fire agm65 u need to be in 10km range with the face to the pantsir so it makes thing a tiny bit difficult
just because you are lackluster with the pantsir and u cant lead doesnt mean its not op
And yes agm65 are bad cuz even if they have the enregy to reach the pantsir it has all the time in the world to intercept them

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good enough to force enemy CAP to fly low and can’t do vertical maneuver while skill less KH-38 slinger can gain attitude and do vertical maneuver basically more freedom and advantage they have
any KH-38 slinger that lose to any CAP while having pantsir covering their a*s is big skill issue no exception.

Ah yes, I’m the one with a skill issue. Me and my Pantsir that I’m supposedly in… despite the fact it’s my friend who plays Pantsir. Excellent reading comprehension.

Tell that to the pantsirs that intercept it with one hand in their pants

The same is true for the F/A-18C, it is also at 12.0, can only carry 4 AGM-54G and 2 AIM-9M, and you have to choose between taking the missiles or the AIM-120. But look, the F-15E and F/A-18C are at the same BR, but the F/A-18C can take much less payload than the F-15E, so why are they at the same BR? Because the F/A-18C is a light, maneuverable fighter.

Hmmm, God tier SPAA while running the best CAS… almost reminds me of when the F4S came out and the ADATS was a strong SPAA. My my, I see the Americans do not like it when they are treated the same as they treated others.

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???

The 18A is 12.0 without any of those weapons, the 18C early is 12.3 with most of those except 120s and 18C late is 12.7.

I assume 12.0 is a typo?

You both have skill issue then and its not a surprise considering your friend is a russia main

So its the F-15A situation all over again… the lack of skill is compenceted by lower BR… Pleace tell me more about the " mUH rusSian bIaS".

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I thought the same until I switched to the F-15E from the F-15C. I thought that the F-15E was the same F-15 only with a more powerful engine and more bomb armament. But after flying it in ARB and knocking down all the hills and houses on my way, I realized that it is essentially the same F-111F. That’s why you won’t see them in maneuver combat, they always fly at altitude and that’s why they are in the Bomber branch.

So I have a skill issue for being able to eliminate with Mavs, something you are saying is borderline impossible to do.

???

  1. The F-4S was never strong at cas with only dumb bombs.
  2. The F-4S released the same update as the Pantsir, which was also the update which nerfed all SAM missiles (including the ADATS and VT-1).

Nah mate, the F-15E can move when it wants to, the F-111 wants to take three to five business days just to go three degrees to the right.

If you slow down to 800-900 km per hour, you are finished. Speed ​​is all you have.

I’ve heard different. Granted, where I’ve heard it was YouTubers saying that the F4S was the best plane in all of War Thunder. What an absolute joke, but still.

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Sht at least i respected US main more than Russian
anytime I do CAP in Gripen against US at least they need to fight me by themselves with jet while I can have all advantage i want they don’t have best SPAA force me into disadvantage unlike Russian.

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That’s the difference, I don’t respect American mains. In fact I usually target them because I know they are easy pickings: great planes, no skill. That’s the unfortunate reality, American players are so bad that they need to be downtiered or have everything nerfed just to be halfway decent.

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