Portugal and Spain regarding ground would only add vehicles made by Joint Ventures between government entities and foreign companies like Rheinmetall like the Leopard 2E. Modernization or specific modification, for LatAm mostly modification or failed projects that didn’t made into production.
The Israel TT was received poorly because of how badly it was implemented, not because Israel can’t be a good TT. That’d be Gaijin failing to read the room.
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To be honest, Spain doesn’t have much to add for top tier ground besides a ton of Light Vehicles (ASCODs from the Spanish-Austria partnership and some VRCs from a Spanish subsidiary of General Dynamics Santa Bárbara Sistemas) and some Leopards 2Es (two I think, they were built with license in Spain) they are a modification to the Leopard 2A6. Thats as far as I’ve researched into my own country (not much).
Hmm… yeah actually that doesnt sound too great. I thought theyd have at least 1 “12.0” MBT.
When I said a ton I meant that there are multiple versions of the ASCODs, some with 30mm guns, some others with 105mm guns and lastly one with a 120mm gun though I’m not aware on whether they have entered service or even exist.
Only thing they have is a Leopard 2A6, but I don’t know about Portugal. And a Leopard 2A4 it seems (more 2A4s yay).
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Leopard 2A6 and M60A3 (retired recently if I’m not wrong) just like any other economic stagnated country…
Yep, quite the upgrade, huh. It seems the Leopard 2E has some more protection on the turret and better durabilty when it comes to its tracks, 2nd Gen thermals for both the gunner and commander, air conditioning (guess it’s because of the difference in temperatures on the north (colder) and the south (hotter), and an APU.
Because this isn’t Armored Warfare, combination trees have no place.
In this subject only the Leopard 2E, Centauro II and K-2 Black Panther seems to be the best options a Iberian-Latin american tech tree has to offer for a proper battle rating 12.0 line-up.
Well, there’s a lot of light vehicles to choose from, but considering we’re talking about a LATAM-IBERIAN combination the yes.
There is always the country of Biscay to add something for top tier :P
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A lot of 30 mm Bushmaster to be fair, a weapon I deslike a lot. If we consider larger caliber light-medium tanks we can consider the TAM 2C-A2, Scorpion 90.
If we consider trailed vehicles in Latin america we can consider VT-4 for Colombia and Brazil, CV9030 and CV90120 for Brazil, I’m listing the most known obviously if you go deeper in national medias channels you can find more.
Listenbourg may be a great candidate for this possible Iberian tech tree.
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Like Luxembourg, definetly too OP to be added
Just had a deeper look onto the top tier situation on the LATAM tree. It does indeed miss some 12.0 vehicles so it’d need something to fill up the spots. From Spain we can only expect the Leopard 2E and Portugal is somewhat short on MBTs with only 34 Leopard 2A6s and 400 IFVs. Best solution would be to either see what the LATAM tree could offer besides what we’ve seen for the 12.0 lineup or we can also keep dreaming.
Okay after a look at the suggestions, I’ve found this one Light Tank (i don’t know what I’m supposed to considere light these days):
Apparently the Leopard 2E has undergone some improvements but I don’t know to which extent.
You could have a Spanish tree with other subtrees.
Spain would have the Leo 2A4, 2E and the 2E Tortuga, which would be supported by Portuguese Leopards (along Chilean ones, maybe). High BR would mostly be copy paste like many other nations, sadly (although with some interesting things such as the Lince or Centauro SABBLIR).
The most bright part of the tree would be interwar and Cold War. The AMX-30EM2 has a special place in my heart, while many other interesting vehicles would definitely be able to be added.
The only issue I’d see with Portugal is the EBR 1954. They used it extensively, buuuut we can’t have another situation like the M8 Greyhound in my opinion.
All in all I believe a Spanish tree with a Portuguese subtree would definitely be doable and enjoyable. If you added more nations like Brazil or Argentina it’d be even better.
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BeNeLux unfortunately needs a word with you. They are a literal combination tree shoved into france (which should have been their own tree, they have the vehicle selection for it)
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