I can't be the only one noticing that Gaijin specifically deisgns the tanks maps in to work with Russain gun depression and not Nato gun depression right?

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I just recently unlocked the German T-72, been playing it, i like it. But i’ve noticed something.

90% of the positions in this game are set up for Russian tanks to go hull down in them, and not Nato tanks.

Nato tanks are normally too tall to get into 90% of the positions in this game, and keep their unarmored bits covered, Russian tanks? No issue. I have gotten my T-72 into positions that i have TRIED to use in my Challenger 2, and done 10X better because it seems like the entire game design of this game is set up to make Russian tanks stronger than they should be.

Even alot of the rocks and such are Just the right height to hide Russian tanks, yet with Nato vehicles they are still exposed.

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I don’t know… Lots of maps with big hills.

Russian tanks suck on hills. Go try and play the revised Ardennes map in Assault with an IS2. You get a first hand experience on how a -3 gun depression is crippling on any terrain that is not flat.

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Im not talking about the IS-2. its a outlier.

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Also, the T-72 is absolutely undertiered.

This was a 10.3 match.

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Yeh most maps are CQB that rely on armour and not reload and mobility.
If we had bigger maps that have lots of hills and places that you need GD.

If Gaijin adds more maps like this then it would make top tier for NATO tanks alot better.

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An outlier? Oh really…

The best is KV-1 L-11) at -7, which is average by any other nations standards.

T34 = -5 (poor to average)
SU-76M = -5
PT-76B = -4
SU-85 = -5
ISU-122 = -3
KV-1S = -5
KV-85 = -3
ASU-85 = -4
SU-100P = -4
T-44 = -5
T44-100 = -3
SU-122-54 = -4
IS3 = -3

A -5 gun depression is barely useable on the majority of the maps. Russia has many vehicles that have gun depressions that are worse than -5.

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Ye the T-72M1’s gun is overpowered for the tier 440mm of pen is just overkill it rly needs a B.R. raise to like 9.7 or 10.0

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This is what happens when you put a British main in a tank that isn’t kneecapped by gaijin.

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Also the BTR-ZD and Praga have -10 GD like Eussia thinks their SPAA has more GD then their tanks lol.

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Praga technically isn’t Russian, and the BTR-ZD is a Ground based Gun mount strapped to a APC.

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T-90M is OP it has a WHOLE -6*!

Well, they are open topped so nothing to block the gun breach

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Ye Ik it’s Czech but still.

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TURMS-T has -6 too.

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We are contained by our own Challenger 2 based Autism, fear any British main who decides to play another tree, for we shall be death.