Having trained on a Tiger is no valid reason to get it for your nation…No matter how hard you want it, it wont change. Italy DID NOT have or operate Tigers and Panthers. Fact.
Its also a fact that the Tas had a mild steel version and a partially built, but not assembled armored steel hull and turret. That’s not a mock-up. Fact.
Going to buy… EVEN IF, Italy buys them that’s gonna be, who knows when, and delivered around 2030. Gaijin wants money now, not in 2030 based on ifs and whens, and does not care about your opinions.
Hungary brings what Gaijin adds, and how Gaijin adds them(they have no historical consultant for HU vehicles= lots of inaccuracies, thus underwhelming performance). And what’s the problem with Russian copy-paste? American copy-paste is the same.
The contract could be signed in the next couple months and the first pre-production tank would be delivered in the next year if everything goes to plan. New factories will be built, the Italian industry will also play a key factor ideally so OTO Melara would license produce the tank like they previously done with other German vehicles (more recently the Pzh 2000). So no, 2030 is actually very very far off from when the Leopards should begin to be in service. By 2035 Italy will be putting in service the next gen european MBT, the Leopards are only acting as a stop gap until then, so it doesn’t make sense that they’d be willing to spend so much money for a tank that will not see a lot of service. I’d suggest you actually bother to do a bit more digging before replying next time.
So by looking at the stream that they did and the server they just stuff AAs into the normal tree (the R3 was ok, didnt need a filler there) and you can’t skip them so you are forced to play and grind for them, just why…
at least can’t we have something more refined with hungarian traits than literally copy paste soviet? the leo is also a blatant copy paste without any character…
I am happy that the arietes are still top tier and they didn’t get overclassed by something else (can’t wait for them to finally update that amv, that is still the 1st prototype taken from a photo lmao) but the biggest issue of the tech tree (top tier medium range SAM vehicle) is still there, i hoped that at least they would plug that hole but they had gone to a completely different route… also t72 and leo are on some good italian BR lineups so they have basically no use unless you want to play them (kinda nice for hungarian players at least).
KF-41 was kinda overhyped, is still a PUMA but more focused on troop transport, so low number of spikes and plenty of space in the back (what you have in the launcher you need to make count).
At least i hope hungary will get their own tree in a short bit, at the end if they go for copy paste they can literally create a barebone but complete tech tree, it is literally there…
Copy paste Soviet vehicles? Hungary can have an almost completely indigenous rank 1-4, some Soviet/modified Soviet rank 5 and 6 vehicles and NATO top tier, just as everyone wants it. You are really freaking out about a handful of Soviet vehicles. Sweden and Germany are NATO countries with a handful of Soviet vehicles, yet you don’t mention them.
Exactly! You are on point! This Il Signor guy wants an Italian Tiger even though they never had any. Hungary did. Hungary also had Panthers. And the 44M Tas was not a mockup, it was a prototype destroyed before completion by bombing. That fills the requirements to be added to War Thunder so I hope the 44M Tas will eventually be added. And saying the Hungarian Leo 2A7 and KF41 are irrelevant is just stupid. Many countries fail to get the tanks they talk about getting. The KF41 has already had several failed bids. There is no guarantee that Italy ever will get these and Gaijin isn’t going to wait for decades to make Italy’s top tier good.
No, not a single word of what you wrote is true. Ok, I’m not being serious, I’m not that shallow.
The Italian TT is dead. Italy has some of the least players. Italy has been hated by Gaijin for ages. It’s not a thriving community. And Hungary is bringing something new to Italy; Hungarian WW2 tanks. Considering half of Italy’s WW2 vehicles are American or German, Italy desperately needed unique Hungarian WW2 tanks. And the Nimrod SPAAG helps Italy’s SPAA problem. Hungary can get many high tier SPAAG vehicles so there’s room for expansion. Hungary can provide Italy with the Leopard 2A7+ HU, a top tier very powerful MBT. Hungarian vehicles do have a place in the Italian TT, although I do agree to limit the amount of Soviet vehicles to a minimum, but Germany and Sweden got some Soviet vehicles and they’re fine. Currently Hungary doesn’t seem to be getting all of their vehicles at once, but Gaijin will add more in the future including the Italian-Hungarian ones. Yes, Italy did buy Hungarian stuff; they bought the licence to produce Hungarian 12.7 mm dual barrel Gebauer 1940.M rapid fire aircraft MGs to replace the inadequate Italian 12.7 mm Breda-SAFATs, but this was not long before Italy collapsed in 1943 so they couldn’t produce much before capitulating. They also tested interwar Hungarian vehicles like the Straussler V-4 light tank but I don’t think they bought any. And that’s just what I know about, there is likely more, so that’s what I’m talking about LOL. Italy and Hungary may not be super similar to each other, but is Finland and Sweden? Is the UK and South Africa? Is the UK and Australia? Is Germany and Argentina? Is Italy and Romania? A country doesn’t have to be a perfect match to be Italy’s subtree. And no, Italy isn’t “going to buy the Leo 2A8 and KF41 Lynx”, they are in the talks for this, there’s a good chance they will fail, and Italy may only get these in decades’ time. Hungary has and is producing these right now!
Gaijin won’t make mixed trees and everyone would complain that a Hungarian standalone tree is too copy-paste and too weak so none of your suggestions are remotely possible. Hungary as an Italian subtree is the best solution, I don’t see why you guys have such a phobia of a few Soviet tanks in the Italian tree, just don’t play Hungary if you hate Soviet tanks so much. But Brazil, Greece, Spain, etc. are not realistic as they all had nothing in WW2. That’s rank 1-4 of NOTHING. And you think that’s better than a Hungarian subtree? Why?
Look man Your completly lack of any knowledge Is more than insane. You Just look like all those Hungarian fanboy that want those stuff in the game witouth even knowing the TT they are going into. Let’s start with Italian Tiger, I’m waithing from One of my contact to’ get One of the picture of what seem to’ actual Tiger used against the Allied at Rome. Aside that Italy can get Captured KV1 and Churchill that Will make the Hungarian tiger not necessary. The only “facts” that I see here Is Your lack of any real info besides two Google research and a small look at the old forum suggestions. About the TAS I still didn’t see any actual source/picture that confirm that It was ever made even in Just One piece of metal (aside that Gaijin for implement anything normally require for a prototype of be completed more than 50% something that the TAS could completly Dreams about). The as Nicho Say Imo Italy Will have Leopards very likely from 2024/25 not from 2030 as You said. The I’m ok with any american Copy paste for Italy since this Is the Italian tech tree were It should be present only veichles used by Italy.
Again You like every other Hungarian Fanboy You Just want this country implemented and You don’t know anything about the tree that Will get It. Let’s start with the “Italian TT dead”. Imo you Just look like the Classic user that Say “Italy bad because bad armor” witouth even playing It. The Italian TT Need two things: New top tier MBT and new Top tier SPAA. Things that Hungary can’t offer and are not needed in Both case. Let’s start with the SPAA. What can Hungary offer? Anything aside a strela that Will be worse and at a Lower br compared to Sidam Mistral. No gap solved. Top tier MBT? Hungary can offer the Leo2A7 HU. Needed? Not. Italy could get Ariete AMV PT2,PT3,C2 Ariete and Leopard 2A8. And no the propose won’t fall as You said since IT WAS ALREDY CONFIRMED by the Italian undersecretary of the Defense. It’s a matter of month for the official confirms. Lynx Is the best contendet to the AICS in the future Italian IFV programme and It has very hight chance of win. So again It seem that You have Just done 10 minutes of research on Google. (Also for understand Better the situation of the Lynx with Italy the Better source are in Italian, but I don’t think You even bothered to’ search those). Then Nimrod Is unecessary, the M133 HS820 with Better RPM and Better rounds (for Both air and ground targets) can alredy take his “Place” very easily. Then If Your “connection” are Just Fire arms and machinegun then the whole world should be and Italian sub TT since the biggest part of the country on the world use Italian Fire arms? What Is this reasoning? Again were do You see that Italy “Need” Hungarian ww2 veichles? Did You at least ever played taly? I Just see at the start a car that Is performance are worse than the the L3 (and at an Highter BR), a bunch of Tanks inferior to’ the German Panzer and a TD worse compared to the Italian counterpart (with not even AP rounds lol). And they all Just useless German/soviet Copy paste that ruin the tree (especially soviet Cold war tanks). Italy doesn’t Need a nation like Hungary with no connection in this game (because in this line I see 0 thing related to’ Italy). If Gaijin had done the tree properly Italy won’t Need any sub tree since We could alredy have all veichles for fill our gaps. And again other Nations such as Spain, Brasil have real connection with Italy (especially Brasil at top tier) like What Argentina has with the German TT. Hungary was the worst choice, historically and virtually.
I already grinded those tanks in Russian TT I don’t feel like playing it again like I didn’t play T-72 in German TT Swedish TT never played I have all Italian TT wanted so luckily I can afford not to play it .
could be, would be…a lot of baseless fortune telling. Right now the queue is Hungary(44),Norway(54). After that it’s possible. Most of what you said is like wishlisting. We don’t know if OTO melara would be included and how fast they could start production. Most likely they wouldn’t be included in production only in maintenance…Polland couldn’t get anything other than an outdated gun license either… So most realistically after the Norwegian Leo’s are done in around 2026 and Germany does not order all of a sudden a bunch of mbt’s then Italian Leopards can become a thing 3+ years into the future from now. And we are getting new top tier mbt’s this year… which means you want Italy to be without a top tier mbt for 3 more years
what? none of the Arietes are on par with the Leo mentioned. 2A8? in what realm and for what reason? Italy hasn’t even ordered any Leopards yet, not to mention the earliest they can get it is post-2026 after the Norwegian order is done…and no Italy is not ordering hundreds of MBT’s that would prompt KMW to ramp up production one way or another while Greece is upgrading 100+ tanks. The Arietes are already OVER TIERED compadre. The last armor and optic upgrade packages are not on par with ANY Leopard 2A7 or 2A8 tank for the love of God… Wishlisting. You are calling others fanboys but holly hell you and your friends are grasping at hypothetical straws of could and would while stating the most delusional crap LIKE IT MATTERS. While being extremely childish and disrespectful towards the Hungarian community.
“None of the Ariete are on par with the Leopard” yeah clearly, do You know at least them? Nope. And call in wich way You want my opinion towards the Hungarian community, they don’t have a Place and they don’t deserve to’ be in the Italian Tech tree. Btw I’m done to’ bother with this discussion, It’s completly inconclusive.
Missing one thing top tier armors are not real in the game so they are useless and you don’t know the quality of the latest generation of optics mounted on Centauro 2 which are the same ones that will be mounted in the C1 Ariete update.
Ironic you mention could be and would be and ‘‘baseless’’ fortune telling when you’re doing the EXACT same thing. Im just basing what i wrote from what has been officially said by the Italian army and Leonardo, you’re basing it on your opinion which is not worth much in this context. Looking at how its been done in the past, even historically when OTO Melara built Leopard tanks during the cold war, Italy has ALWAYS thought about what the Italian industry would do. Poland has no tank-building industry, not to the same extent Italy has had historically so no wonder they only got given an outdated license on just the cannon. Be fr for once, your replies just highlight how uninformed you are so please again, do more digging before replying.
oh please, tell me what i said is baseless fortune-telling once your wishlisting has anything behind it other than your opinions and personal preferences.
It is a fact that we dont know if OTO Melara would be included and how fast the production would start. That is not fortune telling, its a fact.
The opinion that most likely they wouldn’t be included in production is based on KMW’s long history of refusal to diversify its production.
The queue is also a fact and its also a fact that the previous German and Qatar orders also did not prompt KMW to increase production. There isn’t even an Italian contract and no one knows over what timeline will Italy ask for the deliveries which is a main factor behind a potential increase in production.
It just cheapens the game more and more, now we have another Leopard, another BTR and another T-72 from who knows where.
WTF Bro? This isn’t real.
Italy needs his characteristic vehicles, not T72 and other repetitive vehicles that have appeared repeatedly in the game