What?
I said that I don’t care about what for You are veichle “that should be in this tree” and others that should’t. The Hungarian sub tree aside something in the ww2 Is going to’ Carry to only soviet and German Copy paste that doesn’t have a Place in the Italian tt and Will only ruin the tt.
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Again what?
i am literally not making that argument
Turan III will cover 4.0-3.7 range where only the premium panzer iv covers
Turan I will offer a less-armored Matilda experience. Which is not in the Italian tree
Panther G or A will be ideal 5.x mediums, again not in the tree
Tiger E will be the only heavy of Italy, (no, they don’t accept the tiger Italians had briefly trained with)
Nimrod will be a decent rank III anti air vehicle covering 4.x range
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Italy as alredy a lot of other Sherman (and multiple of them with Unique upgrade) that can be added for boost the Number of those BR. And also 3.7 or 4.0 I alredy saw that You forgot One veichle that Is the M4A4 (3.7). There Is also the Italian T34 (One of the early variant for those BR). Then If You talk About the Turan I that can offer less armored Matilda experience why doesn’t add one of the Italian captured Matilda? About the Nimrod, there Is the M113 HS820 that can alredy cover that Role so.
The new devblog confirms that hungary is for the Italian tree, or at least that the WW2 vehicles are but I doubt they would split it.
it’s official it’s for italy. so deal with it
however it is ironic, for years the autarchists have opposed the American C&Ps, used by the Italian army or air force, in search of phantasmagorical and non-existent genuine Italian weapons, and now we will have another nation and German and Russian C&Ps.
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I doubt it’ll ever come to germany tbh
Italy has no Tiger to be added. Hungary was a user of the Tiger and Panther tanks, not Italy. The TAS was not a mock-up but a partially built tank. And Italy has no top tier mbt’s that can be added. Hungary has, right now, in the form of the Leopard 2A7HU.
If the votes of the Hungarian community were good for you all’s Italian-Hungarian tech tree that showed Gaijin the volume of community support then stop crying pointlessly and making up shit. The player count shows that Italy is less played. And its less played for a reason. It needs competitive vehicles in all eras.
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Italy has a tiger H to be added (if You don’ know it it’s not my fault), and again Tas was a mock up. Italy is going also to buy both Leopard 2a8 and Lynx so the hungarian counterparts are completly unecessay. and Italy alredy has plenty other Ariete better to the trhee at top tier that can be added. Italy need Italian competitive veichles that gajin doesn’t want to add since they are not copy paste. Hungary can’t bring to the Italian tt anything aside useless russian copy paste that are completly out of place in the Italian tt.
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Source on Italy buying the 2a8 and the Lynx?
You want me send you like 50 web site that tell that or you just want to search on google “Italy buyng leopard 2A8”?
Go ahead and send the 50 sites if you dont mind :)
-Found for the 2a8 but not for the Lynx
Ok, here we go
Spoiler
Italy to buy Leopard combat tanks, upgrade Arietes
https://defence-blog.com/italy-begins-negotiations-to-buy-new-leopard-2-tanks/
https://esut.de/en/2023/07/meldungen/43375/italien-koennte-kampfpanzer-leopard-2-a8-bestellen/
Italy has yet to buy a Leopard 2A8, but already sees a replacement for the most modern German tanks in the MGCS fighting vehicle, which will be able to serve until the 2070s | Gagadget.com
https://frontierindia.com/italian-armys-ambitious-tank-overhaul-133-leopard-2a8-tanks-and-modernized-ariete-to-meet-nato-requirements/
https://defence-industry.eu/italy-in-advanced-negotiations-for-leopard-2a7-2a8-tanks/
Italy pays at least $4 billion for new German Leopard tanks
Italy in negotiations for Leopard 2A8 tanks | Defence Today
Acquisition of the tank Leopard Will 2A8 by Italy be its gateway to the MGCS program?
Italy close to ordering tanks Leopard X
Italy to Buy Leopards 2A8s, Upgrade Ariete Tanks
Italy-Germany Alliance Nears Completion Of Negotiations For Leopard 2 Tank Acquisition - MilitaryLeak.COM
https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/italy-plans-buy-leopard-2-tanks-boost-ground-forces-2023-07-13/
Italian Army to Procure Leopard 2 MBTs | Israel Defense
Leopard 2 - Wikipedia
here a bunch of sources about 2A8, about the lynx they source are mainly italian, if you want them tell me.
Aniway the fact that is basically confirming lynx for italy is that the same person in the italian defence that confirmed 2A8, the undersecretary isabella Rauti, sayed that same day that they wish we will buy lynx. Sayng that, the other options (CV90 and AICS) were pretty ignored in all this time, so that is why the lynx is the most possible among these 3.
For those who are familiar with me this post may not come as a surpise.
The sub tree is dead on arrival.
My question is, why?
Even if you supported adding a sub tree to Italy, even if you wanted Hungary for Italy, this tree solves NOTHING, the line brings nothing that Italy couldn’t bring itself. (You can look at the suggestions me and other members of the Italian community have been during the last 5 years) Hungary as of now has 1, and at a stretch 2 unique vehicles which are being added. The rest is lazy copy and paste similarly to how Finland was introduced some updates ago. I was very vocal in me being against any sub tree for Italy, however i did also mention how if Gaijin really had to add something, Spain or Brazil who share not only more historical ties, but also military ones would’ve made much more sense both in the long and short run. This tree has added as expected, Russian tech to a NATO nation. Now i know there’s some SIM players who are mainly angry because of that but the main issue in that is that Hungary in modern times has only ever really had such tech. They have no industry, the little industry they have is used to make either modifications of Russian tech or more recently gearing towards Germany for their needs. My point is that this Hungarian tree is in actual fact a German/Russian tree slapped unto Italy. Gaijin insists on saying that new Italian vehicles will also be added but actions always speak harder than words…
What are Italy’s problems?
The lack of SPAA and ‘‘decent’’ top tier tanks.
What does this tree do to help that? Nothing. Lots of supporters of the Hungarian tree realised that what they hoped for (Nimrod AA and Leopard 2a7) are not coming. Italy just got given a ‘‘top tier’’ IFV with Spike ATGM’s, this Lynx is legit just a tracked varint of that, and this vehicle very likely will not be exclusive to Italy only, once it gets added to Germany the wow factor of this new addition will lose its purpose. For those following recent Italian defence procurement you’ll also know that Italy is in talks of buying several hundred Leopard 2a7+/2a8 tanks. Italy is also looking at the Lynx when it comes to the AICS program, the Italian army has shown a vast interest for many years in that platform. Couldn’t Gaijin just wait? Italy didn’t need this sub tree and anyone who claims that this will magically make Italy playable are in for a harsh reality check because a month or so after the update everyone who had an interest will move back to playing either Sweden or Russia.
TLDR: Tree not needed, dead on arrival.
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There is actually someone who thinks that the Italian ground TT becomes more attractive to play, by inserting copy/paste of Soviet vehicles?
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Minor Axis nations going into Italy was announced 5 years ago so this isn’t out of the blue and I’m happy to see the tree expanded.
Its not like this means they’ll stop working on other vehicles and if this results in a boost of people playing Italy then thats even more incentive for Gaijin to focus resources on expanding and improving the Italian tree in the future.
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With the addition of the vehicles of Soviet origin, they gave the final blow to the Italian TT.
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Wow what is your problem? Hungarian tanks are not useless as hell and could give the dead Italian tech tree some life again. The Hungarian subtree will be better than the Finnish subtree and maybe better than the South African subtree, you haven’t even seen it and are calling it a dissapointment!? How can anyone be this scared of a subtree? And you are simply wrong. Hungary did have extensive cooperation with Italy during and before WW2, a lot of Italian vehicles were purchased by Hungary, and some Hungarian weapons were purchased by Italy. They fought on the same side, they even had similar tank uniforms. Sure, during the cold war these countries didn’t have much similarity, but in the modern era they are both NATO countries. Yes Hungary has a better connection with Germany, but Germany doesn’t need a subtree and Italy desperately does.
Also your fears are unfounded and invalid. Gaijin has confirmed they will continue to add Italian vehicles and not forget about them/overshadow them with Hungary. Btw, Hungary is 100% coming to Italy, so cry if you want, or see the positives.
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It’s confirmed (and has been for a long time) that Hungary is coming to Italy. Germany was never really an option.