Hungarian Leopard 2A7HU

[DemoNik8770]

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Description:
On December 5th, 2023, the first Leopard 2A7HU had arrived in Hungary. This is the first of 44 Leopards Hungary has ordered which they plan on integrating as the pinnacle of their armored fleet, along with various other armored vehicles. The procurement of these vehicles is estimated to be completed by 2025-2028.

The Leopard 2A7HU is basically a Leopard 2A7+ that has been built by Krauss Maffei, and modified to better fit Hungarian specifications. Though its unknown what exactly those modifications entail, it is stated that the Leopard 2A7HU is set to be one of the most advanced Leopard 2 variants in active service. some of the improvements which are mentioned in various sources, though of course not clarified, is that the 2A7HU has an improved FCS when compared to its other 2A7 peers, as well as possessing more mobility. On top of that, it is said that Germany’s latest Leopard 2 variant: the Leopard 2A8, is based on the Leopard 2A7HU, (don’t worry German mains, you guys still have a better Leopard that can be added).

The Leopard 2A7HU has armor comparable to the Strv 122s in game currently, with composite screens covering the turret roof and frontal hull. on top of this, the 2A7HU also has a urban combat armor kit available as well, which adds composite screens to cover the hull and turret sides, and Slat armor to cover the turret and hulls rear, giving the vehicle 360 degrees of improved protection, however it looks like the kit gets rid of the smoke launchers in the process. This could be added as an add-on armor modification to the vehicle.

a mockup of the 2A7HU featuring the urban combat kit

A Hungarian Army booth which features a photo of two Leopard 2A7HU’s, the one on the right featuring the urban combat armor kit

For firepower, it features the L55A1 120mm smoothbore gun, a 7.62mm coaxial machine gun, and a 12.7mm FN Herstal RWS. Its hard to say exactly what applicable aspects of the FCS has been improved, however according to KNDS, the Leopard 2A7+ has:

• "Combined driver night vision (thermal imager/low light amplifier) for front and rear view
• Improved optronics (day/night) for reconnaissance over great distances
• Digitized and multifunctional operator concept
• Command and information system"

Why it should be added to the game:
If the Leopard 2A7HU gets added to the Hungarian sub-tree, it would significantly boost Italy’s capabilities at top tier. On top of that, if this vehicle, along with other capable top tier vehicles such as the Centauro II, and Ariete AMV PT2/PT3 are to be added in the future, it could finally give Italy the wiggle room it needs to decompress, and lower some of the Ariete’s, and other vehicles BR’s at Ranks 7 and 6, to further improve Italy’s overall performance within their respective ranks.

Specifications:

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Country of origin	Germany
Entered service	2023
Crew	4
Dimensions and weight
Weight	~67.5 t
Length (gun forward)	10.97 m
Hull length	7.7 m
Width	4 m
Height	~ 3 m
Armament
Main gun	120 mm smoothbore
Machine guns	1 x 12.7 mm RWS, 1 x 7.62 mm Coax, 12x 76mm Smoke launchers
Elevation range	- 9 to + 20 degrees
Traverse range	360 degrees
Ammunition load
Main gun	42 rounds
Mobility
Engine power	1,500 hp
Range	450 km
Maneuverability
Gradient	60%
Side slope	30%
Vertical step	1.15 m
Trench	3 m
Fording	1 m
Fording (with preparation)	4 m

Photo Gallery:

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Sources:

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https://armyrecognition.com/defense_news_august_2023_global_security_army_industry/leopard_2a7hu_tank_spotted_on_hungarian_territory_for_the_first_time.html
Leopard 2A7HU technologically superior tanks in the Bundeswehr
https://www.spartanat.com/2023/08/der-neue-leopard-2a7hu-ist-in-ungarn/
Hungary Takes Delivery of Latest Leopard 2 Tank Variant
LEOPARD 2 A7+ - KNDS
Leopard 2A7 Main Battle Tank | MilitaryToday.com
Leopard 2A8 Main Battle Tank | MilitaryToday.com
Land & Sea Remote Weapon Stations - FN HERSTAL

[Kingtiez]

+1, Italy needs it imo

[DMYEugen]

+1 Goes without saying. This vehicle would truly put Italy back into the top-tier meta.

[YaSen]

+1 (hope for the next update actually), would make Italian TT as well as Hungarian line way more attractable to players.

[_Fleks]

@DemoNik8770

A Hungarian Army booth which features a photo of two Leopard 2A7HU’s, the one on the right featuring the urban combat armor kit

What about the serial version? With a high degree of probability, he does not have this additional armor and is unlikely to appear on it, since even the rich version does not have it (Leopard 2A7Q)

A couple of photos:

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[JamesPond1200]

Italy NEEDS this! +1!

[RooHatch]

It’s fantastic! Should be in a tech tree.

[dotSHINI]

While it should be added 2 things as of right now:
An interview with the KNDS Ceo where he says the Leopard 2A7HU lack the capability to programm DM11

Bundeswehr hat letzten von 104 Leopard 2A7V erhalten

"Der deutsche A7V sei der leistungsfähigste Panzer seiner Klasse, aufgrund der Fähigkeit, HE-Munition zu verschießen und eine moderne Waffenanlage zu nutzen. Damit sei er auch den ungarischen und den in den arabischen Raum gelieferten Leoparden leicht überlegen. "

“The German A7V is the most powerful tank of its class, because of the capability to shoot HE-Ammuntion and to use modern weapon facilities. With this he is slightly superior over the leopards that were delivered to hungarian and arabic areas”

The second thing is pertaining the add on armor, as long as there is no photo of the leopard with the add on side armor, gajin will not add it, the 2 PSO has been denied to get the beak armor add on for the same reason. A vehicle needs to have its full loadout to be seen for it to get added.

@DemoNik8770

The Leopard 2A7HU has armor comparable to the Strv 122s in game currently,

yeah, sadly gotta prove that, it gonna end up with the worse armor of the 2a7v

@DemoNik8770

however it looks like the kit gets rid of the smoke launchers in the process. This could be added as an add-on armor modification to the vehicle.

it does not get rid of the smoke launchers, the smoke laucnhers get hidden behind the add on armor, besides that like i said cant be added until prove of its existence

@DemoNik8770

however according to KNDS, the Leopard 2A7+ has:

to make it clear 2a7+ doesnt equal to 2a7hu, the 2a7+ describes posssible additions , does not necesarily mean all features have been choosen to be added

[PacketlossRedux]

And what is this probability based on? Since the extra armor is available for it and is in storage as it had arrived months before the tanks did.

So on one hand we have personal assumptions and on the other promotional material from the army itself.

@x_Shini_

An interview with the KNDS CEO where he says the Leopard 2A7HU lack the capability to program DM11

Gosh, i can’t wait to officially put this moronic CEO’s rambling to rest…Altho i dont think Gaijin accepts news articles as sources…hmm

[_Fleks]

@PacketlossRedux

And what is this probability based on? Since the extra armor is available for it and is in storage as it had arrived months before the tanks did.

So on one hand we have personal assumptions and on the other promotional material from the army itself.

The tanks became available in December 2023, and it is almost the end of February 2024. It’s strange to see this protection just lying around in a warehouse. Considering also that this additional armor protection was offered to Qatar at the exhibition, but it is not on the final version.

I don’t think that a state like Qatar could not afford additional protection, given that they have one of the most expensive and innovative versions

[_Fleks]

Well, we’ll see, otherwise I seriously doubt that they have it

Photos from the exhibition for Qatar (If interested, of course):

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[PacketlossRedux]

@x_Shini_

yeah, sadly gotta prove that, it gonna end up with the worse armor of the 2a7v

Even then they just put the “Acknowledged” label on the report and nothing happens, as in the case of the WW2 Hungarian stuff.

[spacesoldier117]

Tbf it doesn’t make any sense to outfit them with it.
The UrbOPS package is additional weight that you would need to carry around, it makes sense to keep it inside their inventory till it’s needed, due to transportation, fuel consumption and additional stress on the suspensions.

[_Fleks]

It’s true, although a little time has passed, at this moment there is no evidence that such additional armor protection even exists in Hungary. Otherwise, someone would have taken a photo of this, so I’ll wait for more information from somewhere

[DemoNik8770]

@x_Shini_

While it should be added 2 things as of right now:
An interview with the KNDS Ceo where he says the Leopard 2A7HU lack the capability to programm DM11

Is programable ammunition a feature in the game? The closest thing i can recall to programable ammo for tanks is timed fuse HE and proxy.

@x_Shini_

The second thing is pertaining the add on armor, as long as there is no photo of the leopard with the add on side armor, gajin will not add it, the 2 PSO has been denied to get the beak armor add on for the same reason. A vehicle needs to have its full loadout to be seen for it to get added.

There are some photos of Leopard 2A7+'s with what looks to be the same armor kit (though lacking the additional slat on the rear)… though something tells me this wont be enough for Gaijin.

@x_Shini_

it does not get rid of the smoke launchers, the smoke laucnhers get hidden behind the add on armor, besides that like i said cant be added until prove of its existence

I’ll have to take your word for that, cause I cant find em.

@x_Shini_

to make it clear 2a7+ doesnt equal to 2a7hu, the 2a7+ describes posssible additions , does not necesarily mean all features have been choosen to be added

I thought I made it clear earlier in the post that the HU is based on the +, but distinct from it. To quote my own post: “The Leopard 2A7HU is basically a Leopard 2A7+ that has been built by Krauss Maffei, and modified to better fit Hungarian specifications”

The reason Included the quote from KNDS is because much of the HUs exact features which set it apart from other 2A7s is of course classified. But since we do know its at least based on the +, what info we do know about the + could be used as a reference for the vehicles capabilities if added to the game.

I’ll probably make an edit to this post correcting some errors and or including any additional info I think would be worth including. though for now I’m gonna wait for more comments before I do so.

[DemoNik8770]

Its estimated that Hungary’s tank order wont be completed until anywhere between 2025-2028, so unfortunately we will juts have to wait and see if they actually did obtain any urban warfare kits.

[YaSen]

I mean, do we really such add-on armor for urban combat? In the game it’s just a dead weight most of time.

[dotSHINI]

@PacketlossRedux

Gosh, i can’t wait to officially put this moronic CEO’s rambling to rest…Altho i dont think Gaijin accepts news articles as sources…hmm

Depens on the thing , this could fall under specialised articles or expert opinions as secondary source

[dotSHINI]

@DemoNik8770

Is programable ammunition a feature in the game? The closest thing i can recall to programable ammo for tanks is timed fuse HE and proxy.

Jup its the time programmed rounds, the implementation is soooo bad, best example infamous Ahead, i am just generaly using the fact to annoy / tease @PacketlossRedux

@DemoNik8770

There are some photos of Leopard 2A7+'s with what looks to be the same armor kit (though lacking the additional slat on the rear)… though something tells me this wont be enough for Gaijin.

Yeah counts as completly differenr tanks

@DemoNik8770

I’ll have to take your word for that, cause I cant find em.

I mean u can look at the PSO in game, will look later if i find another picture

@DemoNik8770

I thought I made it clear earlier in the post that the HU is based on the +, but distinct from it.

That is the thing, if you look for it, i think they normaly say its based on the 2a7v not the 2a7+

@DemoNik8770

other 2A7s is of course classified.

They dont realy are that much different , we are well aware of the stuff that sets them apart, RCWS
Roof armor
The side add ons maybe, those are the main things, the others are only slightly minor things but it doesnt have new transmission or sth like that

[DemoNik8770]

@x_Shini_

I mean u can look at the PSO in game, will look later if i find another picture

If your refering to the in game Leopard 2 PSO, that tank has a completly different armor profile than the armor kit I showed in this post. With the in game one having a clear gap to fit the smoke launchers, but the one on this post lacking such space.

@x_Shini_

That is the thing, if you look for it, i think they normally say its based on the 2a7v not the 2a7+

Every single source I read which mentions what the HU is based on, they always say its based on the 2A7+. I have yet to come across any sources which refer to it as being based on the A7V. If you wanna see for yourself, look at the sources I provided and do a word search for “2A7+” and 2A7V"

@x_Shini_

The side add ons maybe, those are the main things, the others are only slightly minor things but it doesnt have new transmission or sth like that

Some sources do briefly mention the HU has “improved mobility” but sadly never go much further than that. I do know the 2A8 is said to have improved mobility compared to earlier Leo variants, and that the 2A8 is based on the HU, so it could be possible those two share similar modifications to mobility… However I decided not to include that in my post as those claims are shotty at best, and are just a bit too speculative

If someone knows a bit more about the mobility aspect of this vehicle Id love to see it