It is a definition thing, i would say. Hungary didnt own the tanks so to say. Thats is flenks problem. Undoubtebly the hungarians used it. But is the usage enough reason when they did it under the germans name.
For me it doesn’t matter with which flag, but imo Panther can be added to the tree with both Romanian and Hungarian camos)
What would constitute owning the tanks? I’m not talking about Hungarian units being given to a larger German unit and then being issued with Tigers and Panthers, I’m talking about Tigers and Panthers being given to a fully Hungarian unit, part of the Hungarian Army, to use them as they want. The only problem is the Hungarians left the German markings on. But the tanks still belonged to the Hungarian Army, and thus Hungary.
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I think it would just be ridiculous to add a Romanian Panther. That’s like adding an American E-100 because they captured it (after the war ended), analysed it, and scrapped it. Or like adding an American Ki-83 because they captured it (after the war ended), tested it, then destroyed it.
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Exactly, there is arguments against and for it.
I would consider they owned and used them. But i can see how some might say they didnt
Heh adding that captured pantsir to us is a thought i personaly like xD
Well for Romania, these aren’t captured vehicles but leased (just like Shermans for Italy). Still better than some Swedish trialed stuff and tanks captured by Finland in the regular tree.
Either way romania is out of the picture because it is about possible hu garian tech tree additions , romanian might be a premium if anything
I doubt we will ever get a standalone Hungarian TT now, while the addition of Romanian stuff into Hungarian line within the Italian TT and into that tree in general seems quite possible.
Thats a future endeavor, that is quite far away we are looking for possible immediate additions, to possibly replace russian stuff a lot of players arent happy with
So do you guys think we’ll get panther and tiger for the hu subtree this patch?
They won’t give you any immediate replacements obviously.
The most unnecessary C&P are:
- ZSU-57-2 (can be easily replaced by Italian made Leopard I 40/70 or M113 experimental AA variants);
- ZSU-23-4 (this one is probably the strangest addition, it can be replaced by Italian OF-40 PRTL or M320 Porcupine or just Romanian Gepard (though it better come as a unique vehicle with Romanian IR-missiles);
- BTR-80A (a strange addition too, if we seek for 7.3 in this line, the best candidate would be MLI-84 imo);
- 2S1 (I don’t want it to be removed honestly, on the dev server it’s super good, though more unique variant would be Romanian Model 89);
- T-72M1 (this one is ok as it brings some armor to the TT, though there can be more interesring variants equipped with ERA, T-72 Currus for example + Romania can bring unique modernizations (TR-85, TR-125) around this br).
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I totally agree.
is old newsreel acceptable source?
(https://filmhiradokonline.hu/watch.php?id=5776)
2 german soldiers are visible later on, outside the tiger…closer to a German aircraft…so looking at their field hats they might be airmen and not tank crew. especially since there is only two of them… so this newsreel might be good for proving the HU usage of the tiger 1. Opinions ?
This newsreel shows the Hungarian Stug III’s all with Saukopf mantlet, manned by HU crew’s. 1:28
https://filmhiradokonline.hu/watch.php?id=5877
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How come MLI-84? That’s a Romanian vehicle
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Romanian vehicles are placed in the Italian TT as well, if you look at whole post I mention Romanian stuff multiple times.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/714838496728186913/1148203342590378044/image_1.jpg
Hi guys! Some info I found on Hungarian tigers if someone is interested.
http://real-j.mtak.hu/11719/1/Haditechnika_1997.pdf at page 134
The Hungarian tiger could get (if it ends up ingame) the “Hanna” text on the cupola.
Some had spare tracks on them.
At page 136, there are the sources mentioned.
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Would this be good replacement for the BTR-80A?
Its not that much different but it would be nice. Or maybe have it foldered with the MLI-84 in the future.
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They literally write here that there is no evidence that they were transferred. Since there were no identification marks or Hungarian markings.
A harckocsik átadása Nadwornán történt, ahová a 3. harckocsiezredet gépjárműveinek rendbehozatalára összevonták. Ekkor került a magyar alakulatokhoz 12 db Pz.IV.Hnémet közepes harckocsi, /0 57z/^.///.iSrohamlöveg, valamint 10 PzVI.E Tigris /. nehézharckocsi. A kapott járművek már használtak, részben nagyjavításon átesettek voltak, amelyekhez csak a legszükségesebb - a harckocsik felszereléséhez tartozó - szerszámokat adták. A műhelyfelszerelés, a pótalkatrészek teljesen hiányoztak. A német hadseregcsoport-parancsnokság kilátásba helyezte még két Tigris harckocsi és 15 tonna javítóanyag átadását. Az ígért felszerelés azonban 1944. július 23-ig, az újabb mozgó hadműveletek megindulásáig nem érkezett meg a páncéloshadosztályhoz. (5)
Arról, hogy a német harckocsik végleg a honvédség állományába kerültek-e, vagy csak a hadműveletek idejére adták át őket, nem maradtak fenn írásos adatok. A rendelkezésünkre álló fényképek tanúsága szerint a harckocsikra nem kerültek fel sem a M.Kir. Honvédség, sem a 3. harckocsiezred jelzései. A harcjárművek eredeti német felségjeleikkel, toronyszámaikkal és esetleges egyéni jelzéseikkel működtek magyar szolgálatban is.
Its really sad that a lot of Hungarian documents were lost/destroyed.
Not just Tigers but the Tas, Lidérc rocket and etc …
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