Hull Armor of the M1 Abrams

Gaijin now heavily rely on the Swedish test result in 1990s for western MBT.
That’s also why they said Leo2A7V remain same UFP protection as Leo2A5.
They have no clear source for new western tank (or for nearly all MBTs after 2000s, maybe only exclude T-72B3 and T-80BVM), so they said their protection remain ‘unchanged’ even after 20 years.
Also I dont too believe the Swedish test result. Their result for Abrams is based on data provided by US and computer calculate…But DU armor is highly classified even now so the former USMC’s M1A1 SA sold to Poland in 2022 have to remove it’s DU armor. For compare, Poland get new M829A4 DU round. I dont think US will provided all the data and details about DU armor to a non NATO countires in early 1990s…

Poland got M1A1 FEP ex-USMC but I can’t find any sources about DU removal

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The DU was replaced by an FMS armor package as far as I can tell.

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So its a shadow / optical illusion?

His points are speculative and wrong at best. The other stuff, sure its debatable but the obvius photoshop mistake to be a wrong shadow is something else entirley.

This is going WAY off topic regardless, if you want to continue do it in PMs not here. This is about abrams not if a picture was fake or not.

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Slight issue is that its slight overcast and the shadow is coming from a bit behinde and above the tank. From the perspective of the camera there is no way that the “outline” is a shadow.

With those shadows in mind this overlay of a IR searchlight is VERY obvious. As again shadows are not a valid excuse when the shadows are coming from a diffrent direction.

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The chance of this being camera artifcats like chromatic aberration, light fringing, bloom, reflections or something like backlighting, fog and condensation are slime to none. I highly doubt this image suffered from any one of these artifcats. I also doubt its a compression artifact.

You can call red effects video rushed but atleast he didnt arguemnt with “It’s likely decorative. The tank is probably intended to be a T-90M vismod, not a real upgrade.” Which would be a massive waste of resources as russia has other ways of baiting equipment usage via decoys that would not be this expensive and shodley made.

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That dash above E means it’s the new one.
Also “U” is for DU on US M1s and “M” is for non-DU or Mixed ones.

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Yes indeed

The front of the sight housing for the PNM-T is clearly not flat, I don’t see why the shadow is just “photoshop”.
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I guess time will tell what this really is, no sense in continuing this arguement over a single picture that is not high quality and prone to artifacts.

Like I said before, it worked quite well during the review bomb. I literally think raising hell is a better route

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I was linking to the thread, didn’t have any intention of linking to your comment specifically. My bad.


E for improved FMS armor package…So similar to AU Abrams

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It’s photoshopped.

well someone submitted a freedom of info request about this so hopefully gaijin will get an undeniable source that the abrams does indeed have the hull inserts.
https://forum.warthunder.com/t/i-submitted-a-foia-request-to-the-dod-to-get-infromation-confirming-that-the-sep-v1-and-v2-should-have-increased-du-arnor-i-will-continue-to-update-about-its-progress-down-below-gaijin-wont-be-able-to-refuse-this-source-goodbye-russian-bias/59517

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Agava 2 behold that 4k resolution…

people try to hide the truth

Seems like all Russian thermals have the same resolution as those Bigfoot videos you see on youtube.

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M1128s saw very limited service in a very small amount of numbers, and after 20 or so years is already being phased out.
The OH-58D, as said, was used for 2 years in American service in limited quantities.

But cool, you pointed out 2/12. What a response!

And believe it or not, the canadian version is in game! It doesn’t go to America, though!
Care to explain America’s version?

The 2S38 finished its development almost 4 years ago, what are you talking about? It’s already commissioned for service with the RF.

The ADATS already has the edge of a smokeless motor over both the Pantsir and ItO 90, with the Pantsir having the longest range / lowest performance and the ADATS having both mid-ground range and average performance. All the ItO has over either is overload.

I’m not arguing anything on the existence of the OH-58, though the D was almost entirely used for export and very limited American operation before they were discontinued.

This is entirely false. The Kiowa Warrior was flying for the US Army for years, including in the 90s while my dad was flying them at Ft. Rucker. You might be thinking of the OH-58F, which was the cancelled modernization program from the 2010s.

Edit: not to mention the fact the Kiowa Warrior 100% provably saw actual combat service in the middle east. Not really sure what straw you’re grasping at.

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It would be a lot better if you didn’t just straight up lie on here.

Okay so you think the armor inserts on the M1A1 could possibly be of two different materials and design. Okay let’s just think about that for a minute. If the 360mm armor array in the hull was just as effective as the 800mm armor array you were putting in the turret. Why on earth would you not just put the same armor arrays from the hull into the turret. Same effectiveness, but probably less weight! Hopefully you get the point. It just doesn’t make sense, but this is the way Gaijin has decided to make it in their video game.

Yeah, here’s the real voice. If u want to see wants player wants dont check the comment under the News, check the Fourm