Bleeding edge Russian thermal imaging technology ^
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I know right. I guess those words mean something different.
I swear this “based in Hungary” argument comes up every single time. I feel like if this were the case basically all the NATO tanks would at least have someone addressing the issues they face instead of just hand waving them off, like the Leopard armor, Challenger armor, Abrams armor, etc. But no, they haven’t actually done so in a meaningful way that at least acknowledges the players’ concerns and takes into account the evidence presented
Gaijin Entertainment was founded in Russia in 2002, now the hq in hungary but ok “nato” dev
Grasping at straws much? M1128s and OH58s saw service, those are not prototypes. It’s like you didn’t have enough examples so you just pulled some random vehicles that might seem obscure to some people. The XM1069(its 1069 by the way, not 1060) missiles, you know the most important part of the vehicle, did go into service in Canada. So you get maybe half-credit there?
The major difference here is that even the prototypes that you did list correctly, are designs from the past that either didn’t make it into the modern day or are fully fledged production vehicles now.
Whereas the 2S38 is a project that’s still being developed and wont see service for some time. You are high on the copium my friend, and your bias is showing - “XM1060(best ADS in game)” ItO and Pantsir are objectively better
You want to argue with the Apache technical documentation that the developers agreed with? Ridiculous.
You are comparing Apache thermal imager footage with no zoom and a zoomed-in picture at 7-8 kilometers. The Apache’s picture will be no better.
I’m telling you, you believe not your technical documentation (literally the AH-64 manual), but well chosen frames from the internet.
Unfortunately you aren’t missing anything.
Realism is a double edged sword in this game, considering top tier is not realistic. It cannot be, it has to be balanced at least somewhat, information is classified on most of the stuff we are playing. The numbers have to be made up and tweaked to actually fit into the package that is War Thunder. The downside to this is that vehicles can be made “Realistic” to nerf them against vehicles that have fudged numbers, or request to buff a vehicle can be denied due to the need for absurd amounts of information on classified vehicles.
I personally believe they just don’t want to buff the Abrams, and will do everything they can to not do it short of us really causing them a problem. The amount of bug reports sent out and information dug up on this subject during the dev server was one of the most impressive efforts I’ve seen at any point in this game, I don’t think there are many more documents to find that will convince them.
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Not saying that bias towards Eastern tanks is a thing that exists in the game, but every time something like this happens where the only complaints about the Russian stuff are that it is too good and the NATO stuff that in real life is meant to counter it (and does so quite well) is not good enough, a tiny piece of “Russian Bias” starts to fester
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Cringe
I swear this “based in Hungary” argument comes up every single time.
Yeah things that are obviously relevant and clearly refute the point you make will tend to come up every time in most cases in life. Funny, that.
I feel like if this were the case basically all the NATO tanks would at least have someone addressing the issues they face instead of just hand waving them off
Why? Normal sane responsible adults can control themselves and make business decisions based on what is profitable, they are not compelled to make impulsive emotional decisions just on jingoism and nationality. So I’m not sure why you think being based in NATO would definitely result in a childish NATO bias, either.
It’s just called “Having a bare minimum of simple professionalism”
Buffing Russian tanks and nerfing NATO tanks is most profitable, so is what you should expect them to do whether based in Russia, based in NATO, based in Paraguay, based on the moon, or based on green eggs and ham.
Are you… talking about Gaijin?.. really?
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Never said it would look better zoomed or not zoomed, but okay.
If you apparently have the technical documentation that you have read, I would like to see it. Please, show me. Until then, I’ll believe the pictures on the internet taken straight from an unzoomed camera.
And just as a final gift to you while you hopefully source these documents you keep referencing, here is a picture of a zoomed in Apache thermal camera.
Pretty high quality, huh? And the picture itself is already degraded in quality from being compressed! Isn’t technology amazing?
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Now now, don’t get ahead of yourself, I never said “childish NATO bias,” I said “acknowledgement of problems.” Those are pretty different things, and I’d hate to be confusing people.
And the problem is that Russian tanks are so buffed that its comparatively easy mode to play a Russian tank than any NATO tank, when for a game that markets itself as “realistic,” an at least equal-seeming roster of vehicles would be ideal.
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The PR team is not very professional, since they keep lying to us like ^ here instead of just admitting their actual reasons. But everyone else generally is professional as far as I can tell, and we were discussing the game designers and product manager in this instance (people deciding on nerfing NATO tanks) not PR people trying to mislead us about it.
I’ve seen some Devs in the F15 thread that were being quite cool so I won’t say they’re all like that
But I need to remind you that we are currently talking to each other in a thread where they just this morning told US players to go f*ck themselves
If nerfing NATO tanks and buffing Russian tanks is most profitable, then merely approving all your requests and tickets that undo that would be a personal NATO bias, since it would be reducing revenue just for emotional/patriotic reasons.
I think they should actually NOT improve the armor on the Abrams, probably. But not because it isn’t historical, it is. Rather, because it (and the other tickets it sets a precedent for) would cause Russia to not have a top tier, and the game would do less well/a lot of players would be unfairly left out of top tier. Then they need to SAY THAT (or whatever else their real reason is) not lie about it.
This is literally the thread about the Abrams hull armor.
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This picture is from 2009. What do you even want anymore. Am I gonna get to see these documents or nah?
Can you guys not spam this thread with off topic issues?
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