Forum moderators really under damage control after this article lol
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I’m assuming Britain is already dust XD
Doesn’t matter how many people they censor. The outrage will not be quelled.
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Never o7
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Watch them consider this not a primary source, and then add gen 7 thermals to every T series because some russian general sneezed on a napkin and it kinda looked like a tank
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Well, you see you need to have a sign document from Joe Biden himself and 60-page document breaking down every inch of the composite to the exact measurement, where it came from, how it was transported, etc. Then maybe it would be good enough for the devs.
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I mean yeah, I’m not saying they’re correct at all, necessarily, but hypothetically if you DID improve the armor to take a lot more hits before falling apart, Congress probably WOULD be pretty happy with that.
Funny how we never have conversation of underperforming armor of russian tanks, and for abrams it’s the third battle with gaijin. First was when they added IP and M1A1. Second with M1A2 and now third. Spall liners for Abrams, Leclerc, and Merkavas will also be ignored because reason. I hope french players have their government financial spending report on spall liners for leclerc like we have for DU armor, otherwise there will be no discussion about this. This is outrageous.
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We literally commented in the article on some of the sources players provided.
Why “Some”? Why not “All”? You left out literally like 2 dozen other sources people gave.
The only plausible reason to not have replied to all is that you couldn’t manage to come up with a counterargument to the others…
(“Not having the time, due to low importance” is a reason I frankly don’t consider “plausible” for you to believe here, in the face of your players almost rioting again over this. So that just leaves “We couldn’t come up with a reason to deny the other sources”)
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This specifically says that the DU upgrade was for the M1A1SA, not the SEP… LOL
I’m sure if some rando said that the T-14 had a prototype equipped with a 190mm particle beam laser cannon able to turn a tank into molten sludge within microseconds of exposure and the guys only source was his sleep paralysis demon who told him in a dream, it would be in the game in a heartbeat.
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…that the SA upgrade was a recipient of the SEP program improvements. It is literally making the M1A1s have the improvements of the SEP. LOL!
Also notice the suspension upgrades that Gaijin claimed never happened.
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M1a1SA has the same armor package as SEP just so you know.
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Username checks out.
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damn the fact they specifically mention he M1A1 and the 70 ton weight with improvements flat out debunks gaijins suspension claims here
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Wait so 2-3 examples of T80bs receiving experimental thermals is enough to justify it having thermals in the tech tree but “muh 5 Du hulls” doesn’t get the same justification? Interesting….
Side note - Yes I know the 5 DU hulls is outdated and further amendments clarify more than 5, just a funny contradiction in “Gaijin policy”
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I went through this source and found this table on page 67, showing the Abrams’ changes throughout its various modifications. It clearly specifies that “Heavy armor [is] added to hull and turret” under the 2000 M1A1 AIM model, as an improvement over the 1985 M1A1 variant.
Although the date of introduction (2000) may seem like it would come after the m1a2 sep v1 (1999) its important to note how the very first m1a1 AIM (for the US army, not the Australians) was refurbished in 1996 as apart of a proof of principle program, explaining why its placed before the m1a2 sep on the chart. (Meaning the m1a2 sep would have then received the previous model’s armor improvements)
It does not specify that this was depleted uranium, however it would not be surprising if the 3rd generation depleted uranium mentioned under the M1A2 Sep v1 was added to the hull as well as the turret due to the significant additional weight. (2+ tons, ignoring the multitude of weight saving improvements attempted in all models)
At the very least, this should be confirmation that the 11.3+ abrams should receive additional hull armor, even if it’s not depleted uranium.
As for the exact values? Those are still classified so using the various estimations from the other sources that have drifted around may be necessary. (I believe I saw some that suggested a 25-35% improvement, but I’m sure someone else here could find that)
Oh and as for why the addition of spall liners is not mentioned as one of the upgrades, that is likely due to it being implemented within the very first M1.
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Utterly fascinating how Gaijin thought they could include a specious claim in order to deny these bug reports and not realize that this claim regarding the Abrams suspension would be proven incorrect almost immediately via simple Google search. Truly astounding arrogance.
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Every m1 Abrams used by the U.S. army starting with the M1A1 HA/HC should have 500-600mm hull front armor vs KE.
M1A1 HA development time line 1988-1990 is the same time line of various studies about improvement over existing ceramic armor against full scale kinetic energy threat.
There’s also this from the Design News 1988 Vol 44, unfortunately i can’t find a better version of this page.
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Gaijin would not make better Abrams hull because Russia itself must have a easy OHK target for it’s “newest” shell xd. I don’t know, Gaijin arrogance in this topic is enormous. We need to know that they didn’t want to upgrade Abrams, what so ever. Every source we will provide that clearly states improved hull, even redesigned ones but they will say "nah, this is bullshit we want actual numbers " xD. Now even Devs stated that they want classified documents to make changes in game. What a shame.
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