I’m not sure what this thing is doing at 12.0. It has an auto cannon with only 26 rounds, limiting its effectiveness even with good gameplay. It isn’t that fast, and has no atgms to tackle heavily armoured targets. At its br range, it’s pretty underwhelming and makes me wanna stop grinding the US light tank line. Compare this thing with the 2S38, which is apparently deserving of 10.3. It has slightly worse pen than the HSTVL but has a much faster fire rate as well as a large auto loader capacity. It also gets a crew less turret. Sure the HSTVL can sometimes bounce a shell, but I think it’s pretty weak where it is right now and could be moved down to 11.7 or even 11.3
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The HSTV-L has a much higher survivability, mobility, and gun depression than the 2s38 that allows it to stay hull down without much retaliation. Though, it lacks ammo capacity and its zoom and thermals are horrible. I think it could probably go 11.7 as well unless they give it a better round so that it could either stay at its own BR or be raised higher.
It really can’t be put any lower than 11.7 because it has a trolly UFP and although there is a crew member in the turret, he’s kind of useless. The HSTV-L can function fine with the 2 crew members in the hull so it acts like a crewless turret.
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You’ve also forgotten about the first generation thermal imager.
The HSTVL is smol so it is basically invisible to the eyes, playing it often feels like you are the hunter, like the Predator that activated its cloaking device and downed 10 man without any trace (enemy like what the hell bro we already 10 man down still can’t see the shooter). The problem is that when US mains are playing it, it will not get any better even if you moved it down to 11.0 because the same US mains who say 2S38 that is undertiered had 0.4KD in it while playing it at 10.3, like already 0.4 what happen if you moved it further up? it will dropped to 0.2 or 0.1? I’ve seen plenty of US main constantly gaslighting themselves without their own ass even knowing it, most are also chat-banned too I’m wondering why bro
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HSTVL is correctly BR’d.
Fastest tracked vehicle in the game firing the 2nd best autocannon round with a meta reload.
26 rounds for an easy-ish 13:1 KDR potential. I still haven’t used more than 13 rounds in a match, and the 13 rounds was a 5 or 6 frag match, with one being a helicopter.
The 2S38 is hilariously inferior to the HSTVL. USA made a better product by far, which is why it was cancelled due to cost.
2S38 has significantly less pen, is larger, and way slower.
The HSTV-L was never designed for production, it was a Tech Demonstrator. The RDF/LT is the would be production model.
But I also have to somewhat disagree. While the HSTV-L is a solid vehicle, it does not deserve a BR of 12.0. At best, it should be an 11.3 or 11.7 tank. The vehicle can only be truly brought up to a competitive standard with an exceptionally skilled player, as its APFSDS is very weak for its BR while also having an anemic 26 shell capacity. Unless you’re in the top performers for this game, you’ll never get any meaningful worth out of the tank.
If they buff the APFSDS to its actual abilities, it would then be fine for its current BR, if not higher, but they won’t do that.
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I do find the total ammo count becomes a problem for a player who wants to Rambo it around, for longer range I’m gonna need to use more ammo to disable or kill the enemy because the gunner sight zoom is dogwater at 8x, it’s a menace in cqc when it shows up behind a group of blind players that blasting music on their headphone it literally murder them all in seconds.
I do wish they would implement the call for supply drop feature like mgs5, where an AI controlled Chinook/Osprey or player control (whatever bro) would fly into the map then to the designated drop point to drop supplies or extra crews, or choose a fat planes like A400M to drop them without landing. Calling it consume lions and also depending on ammo type the cost will be different bro. This will also provide foods for SPAA so they stop complaining about not having a target to shoot at bro a win-win situation for gameplay.
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I get the impression it’s gun is more a single shot with a really fast reload than an auto cannon, you are supposed to aim each one, not hold the trigger down. It’s like the teams designated marksman, not the SAW gunner.
there where so many great ideas floated for resupply on the original ammo box thread, but no we had to get the stupid “put twice as much ammo as your tank can carry in it ,put you cant use it until you build a box on the ground to put it in so you can put it back in the tank and use it” idea.
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Yeah, the ammo box was pretty dumb, like did we just teleport it into the battlefield or something, I know it’s for balance purpose but overall it makes no sense that only certain vehicle class can do this bro
Dude, I’m an average player among autocannon tanks and HSTVL is the most hand-holding of them.
I’m also only aiming for above average, or at maximum a good 8 frag life.
I statistically speaking will never see 0 rounds in HSTVL, even if I match my higher end lives in MBTs.
nobody is asking for it to be the same br as the 2s38 anyway it at 11.3 or 11.7 it is still well above the 2s38s br so the comparison is pointless.
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Ok👍
Are you okay with 2S38 staying 10.3?
Cause I’m still lobbying for 10.7, and 1.0 - 1.3 [more toward 1.3] is standard for light tanks that have ~23% more pen, double the mobility while being the fastest in the BR range.
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many br change have happened without the devs moving it so it very clear thats where the devs think it belongs and as long as thats the case the HSTVL should at least be 11.7 (i also wanna use it in my 11.7 linup)
You want to abuse the under-BR’d M1A1 some more? ;)
Fair points to being honest, can’t fault you for that.
We’re on different perspectives and that’s okay. Glad you voiced yours, and I’ll stick with my disagreement.
id agree it was under br at 11.3 but 11.7 its perfectly in line with most tanks at the br
Stopped reading right there.
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I think the problem here isn’t with the technique, but with the Soviet players who lack skill. Because treeing is purely OP.
Stats don’t really agree with you on that.
HSTV-L is performing decently in the hands of an average player.
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I think US mains are so much worse bro some of them do own it and I think I’ve never seen one with a positive KD, yet they advocate to move it up to 11.3 or 11.7. I also don’t own it but its food for my Abrams, they have to die 15-20 times before one managing to kill my Abrams 1 time on average, that’s why I put it on hodl because it literally almost never gives me any trouble, UD is better as some of them wore Captain America’s shield on their mantlet.
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