HSTV-L vs 2S38

I wrote to you directly that it is useless to poke tests. The game does not take into account the inscription on paper.

All shells in the game are calculated according to a single formula based on their parameters. If in your opinion the length of the projectile is not correct - a bug report.

If you think that it is the only one for an unknown reason, it should not be calculated according to the general formula - this is not an argument

i would still say at least give its proper fire rate of at least 60rpm or 70rpm till we can sort out the pen

Well with that the BR would be higher than M1A2 SEP.

@Macekeeks
HSTV-L already has its compensated real reload rate.
Every single tank in game can fire faster IRL with AMX-13 type exceptions.
It’s slightly slower state accounts for the fact WT target acquisition is faster than real life.

the breach works completely different to other tanks though it doesn’t need to be realigned

No, developers will not use labels in documents.

The general formula is used.

How are you going to tune the shells that were tested in different conditions, on different steel, even the very concept of “penetration” is different for all countries.

The United States considers penetration if something breaks off from the inside of the armor plate (there may not be a hole).
Russia considers the penetration of part of the projectile inside the fighting compartment of the tank to be the penetration.

And how do you balance it? There is a single formula for this.

And the reload rate is faster on tanks IRL with gun-zeroing systems still.
Again, it helps account for the fact we’re better than real-life systems.

And the formula is accurate after all.
So the round we have is accurate based on its weight, dimensions, speed, and tip characteristics.

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it doesn’t make sense to apply that to a rotating breach as there isn’t a significant variable compared to something like a Leclerc

I am not contesting the formula- Get it through your head… I am saying that Gaijin has no source for inputs for the HSTV-L round that we have in game other than historical documents indicating penetration values, and thus they are invented-- in other words, fake. To pretend that Gaijin’s “calculations” are more accurate than documents when they don’t even know what the specifications for XM885 rounds is ridiculous. The formula is probably accurate- the inputs probably are not.

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They have parameters for weight, projectile speed and core length. Based on this, penetration is calculated

What is the shell mass?

do we have a confirmed speed model because there are two that i see the one we have in game and well 1646 not sure what the variable is
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The final barrel for the HSTV-L was extended by three inches which increased the velocity. We have the shorter barrel.

ah

We also don’t know the core caliber- we only know the full caliber. If you decrease the core caliber and increase the muzzle velocity to the finalized version of the gun you get values approaching those estimated in the documents.

Yeah but the Proxy rounds lately on CV9040s feels like they dont work either. Plus non of the CV still have their IRST that they are suppose to have. They have much slower 1st stage reload even tho it should be faster. Plus the whole HE-VT on them is pure fictional shell as they never had it. They use programable fuze shell with soft shell hiding 1100 tungsten steel balls inside of it. So the proxy thing massively nerfed thing.

The target tracking of the non-SPAA CVs is non-lead apparently. A simpler targeting computer is used for them apparently.

Best thing is you can see it when you look at the gunner sight of the SPAA versiona and non-SPAA one. It is same gun sight. THe Radar on SPAA is only search one so it doesnt.

You can have different targeting computers running identical gunner sights and have different results.
Just as you can have identical targeting computers running different gunner sights. [TURMS-D vs TURMS-T for example.]

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Its really simple why there is such an advantage to 2s38, it is an untested and obscure russian vehicle IRL. So gaijin can buff it beyond reasoning. It will probably perform just as bad as any other russian vehicle IRL but this is a political game unfortunately.

I wish the HSTV-L rounds (or any other round for that matter) would cause the appropriate spalling in russian tanks. Then it would be both realistic and fair in the game. I literally just played a match where my M829A2 went through a T90 ammo carousel, through multiple rounds in the carousel, and did not cause an explosion or kill the crew. Just 0 spalling.

I hate the fact that I have to be surgical with my shot placement while any given russian tank can just point and click in my average direction to instantly kill me.

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2S38 is in serial production, in service this year.
It’s not obscure at all, and it’s not buffed “beyond reasoning”.
It doesn’t even have its correct ammo feed system.
It has the HSTV-L system before auto-replenishment was added.
I have to be surgical against all top MBTs except for Leclerc & Ariete.