Do you know where Gaijin got the 276mm number, or can I add it to the ever-growing list of complete fiction?
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im actually unsure gaijin refuses to release where they get there information from
If it gets its better round then it’ll be a higher BR than Abrams which would be hilarious.
well wouldn’t be surprised if 12.0 comes within the next two major updates the only time i run into trouble is when im fighting leopards
Definitely should. We’ll see decompression below Leopard 2A4s probably.
we should be getting a good batch of decompression on the road map they are working on the transition from post ww2 vehicles to cold war i would assume they would take the opportunity to decompress the higher brs as well
You’ve got to be kidding me? It has basically zero protection. It’s a one shot pillow, it has to stay behind cover or it’s just dead. And you think increasing it’s ammo effectiveness, to what it probably should be anyway, should make it better than top Mbt?
Also again from my experience, it is not at all more effective than the 2S38. If so then the examples I’ve given wouldn’t be happening, not just with me, but others as well. I see it a lot as well as experience it personally. I don’t agree with that at all.
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Light tank dies if it’s spotted, shot at, and hit.
In other news, water makes things wet.
Any light vehicle is okay to OP depending on its capabilities and how you use it.
HSTV-L is objectively better than 2S38 at tank killing currently, and if given M833 penetration would be better. It would be 0.7 - 1 BR higher than an M833 equipped M10 Booker just due to the size & speed advantage alone.
I would argue the biggest difference is that the HSTV-L reloads in 1.5s, while the 2S38 reloads in 0.5s.
If you test drive the 2S38 (which anyone can do) and just try to one shot the target tanks you will notice its 57mm APFSDS is… actually really bad. Hypothetically there is a viable OHK spot on basically every tank, but in a real match you probably won’t be hitting that. What makes the 2S38 strong is that over, let’s say, three seconds, it has six chances, while the HSTV-L has “only” two.
In my opinion the pitiful damage of all sabot shells below 100mm caliber shouldn’t be a thing, it ruins a number of other, non rapid firing, vehicles like the AUBL HVG and Rooikat Mk. 1D as well. The HSTV-L could also receive a reload speed of 0.85s, which would make it far harder for enemies to react to it. Having both might be a bit of an overcorrection though, as the HSTV-L is actually very good in most other regards (e.g. mobility).
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The HSTV-L uses a 75 mm gun, while the M10 Booker uses a 105 mm gun. The HSTV-L cannot fire M833 or any other ammunition the Booker can fire.
i would even be fine with the hstv-l’s 60rpm
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I know it can’t fire M833, but the tests claim M833 equivalent performance.
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overall i would say add either pen or reload first see how it does and add the other if need be
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I understand, and great points. And as you say, the 2S38 gets more hits in a shorter time. But contrary to what you’re saying about the test drive and it’s ammo being “bad”, I’ve been experiencing the opposite when being shot at by the 2S38, quite often. I’m experiencing being OHK quite often by it with 1, or 2 hits as well. And I’m speaking of mainly the Abrams SEP, next lower Abrams, AIM, ADATS etc. In addition to the Lav-AD, which of course won’t take much damage anyways. I don’t know, it just seems in my experience the 2S38 sabot is acting more powerful than what you’re thinking, or many of these drivers are just hitting good shots quite often. But I have to think that quite a few of the 2S38 drivers aren’t all too skilled, as it’s a premium. Though that would be assuming, so.
Just feels like also my HSTV-L hits just aren’t doing the damage some of you are expressing it is for you.
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The mean thing about shell performance is that it’s to some degree unpredictable. You can achieve a basically arbitrary number of OHKs in either vehicle, between shooting tanks with dead crew members, damaged or otherwise low vitality crew (your crew being yellow can make a difference here, so can the vitality stat and also experting a tank!), and just getting lucky with the actual RNG that is the generated spalling fragments.
Regarding the quality of 2S38 players, the sample you are seeing is also filtered by the ones who stuck to the Russian tree long enough to get to actual top tier tanks (or technically also those who bought the T-80UK/UM2, but those aren’t very common in my experience).
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Projectile penetration is based on a formula generalized for everyone, because using information from books is inaccurate and impossible.
All countries had different concepts about armor penetration and the use of steel for tests.
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Still, it doesn’t make sense since it fared just as well as the M774.
What proof do you have? I don’t think there is any.
The designer takes the parameters of projectile length, core length and velocity and calculates them using a formula.
If you don’t believe me, check for yourself, the formula is publicly available and specified by the developer.
Gaijin has linked the formula calculators that they use, but they haven’t told use what their inputs were for the Delta-3s.
We have government documents, including those from research tests and committee hearings. The information on the Delta-3s (XM885) is very sparse, but the Delta-6s claim is between 430-450mm of penetration.
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There were at least two rounds tested for the HSTV-L, we got the weaker round, which has no comparison to the round.
It’s just named incorrectly. It’s a real round, real penetration, just the wrong name for WT.