cut Mustangs, Bolts, Sabres, Phantoms, ect.
What`s left?
I dont call “unique” a differently named US aircraft with minor changes that do nothing ingame
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Wirraways, Boomerangs, Canucks, Kangaroos, Woomera, Wackett, FDB-1, and more and more and more.
And why cut the Sabres? Australian and Canadian Sabres have different engines and in the case of Australia, different guns.
Phantom wasn’t even included in the 108 lmao.
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Easiest way to avoid this is just to expand the Commonwealth Realm to Commonwealth of Nations. Then only add the unique vehicles. Though, Gaijin will never do this. Some copy-paste is sadly expected. In the case of the Commonwealth Realm the biggest issue would be rank V-VIII, still wouldn’t be 100% copy-paste but certainly a lot. Below has a ton of unique content. Really it’s the opposite of Israel.
I looked through the tree and saw maybe 5 to 10 unique planers
already ingame
already ingame
unique ones for sure
not a unique one too
no, as then its mirage, hornet, sabre, phantom, vapmire, skyhawk, kittyhawk, buffalo, mosquito.
Closely everything except rank 4 which has several unique machines (which i supose will be rank 5 ingame? idk jets dont ound good at rank 4) and rank 2 which has several unique machines are copy-pastes. Like Israel. Thats like really bad.
thats one way to do it, agreed. There`s no need to create another tree for implementation of 10 new planes and 10 new tanks. Just expand existing ones
Where’s the full 108 list
So you’re really just here to troll and deny facts. OK what ever. Good for you I guess.
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No, i`m here to express disagreement with stupidity of adding an entire tech tree filled with clones just to add 10 unique machines. Im a big fond of australian “Super Mustang” myself, tho i dont see a need in an entire tech tree of regular planes that already exist ingame to implement that one mustang. Im more than happy to get those machines passed to britain or US as subtrees.
That number is 80% too low. Between the fact that they have domestic vehicles every rank, on top of having modified and Licsened-built stuff for most of it.
AKA, unless you think modified tech is C&P, then I have news for you, the US TT is full of C&P.
??? It’s Canada Car & Founder’s only domestic fighter and one of Canada’s domestic biplanes. Well, that tells you your thoughts on how they only have 20 vehicles if domestic, if domestic stuff is C&P and not unique.
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the US TT isn’t C&P since it’s the origin country
No, no. (My wording didn’t help.) It becomes a double standard if you exempt one nation from being treated the same.
If vehicles built and/or modified by another nation are C&P just because they’re originally someone else’s design, then all variants become C&P. For example, the Sherman Jumbo is C&P of the M4 under that logic.
yeah not making any more sense sorry because a sherman jumbo isn’t copy and paste but say if they added an egyptian FL-10 sherman, you’ve made an entirely new tech tree which is almost entirely copy paste just for a handful of domestic modificaitons, MAYBE a domestic vehicle. it’s like adding the F-14A IRIAF to the US tech tree instead of making a brand new iranian tech tree for 6 total domestic vehicles and their modifications
I do kinda get milashny, you could add all these functionally identical vehicles to a new tree or add them to current trees to bolster them
also the australian & new zealand has one of the issues i have with the israeli one but not to as much of an extent is the lack of domestic designs, yes there are modificaitons, but generally there’s not too big of a difference
i do have dislexia so please read between the lines sometimes the meanings of the words may not concur with my emotional intention
I think we are talking about two different things. I’ve been pointing out that the other guy’s logic makes stuff like the Jumbo C&P, all because it’s a Sherman variant.
Yes, it’s unique; however, under the other guy’s logic, it’s C&P. Varints being C&P is gross; it’s the logic used to deny Canada & the ANZACs a home in a good way. I was just applying that logic to the US. Not that I believed in that logic, I hate it(as if it were applied to the nations in-game, every tree would lose most of its vehicles, with rank 1-4 being hit hard).
If you ask me, a vehicle is unique to the operator nation if it:
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Fully domestic
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Licensed built
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Dosmtically modifed
(There is a 4th being the only opportunity of someone else’s design, but… last I checked, neither Canada nor ANZACs was affected by that)
For a vehicle to be C&P, it must:
- Be unmodified, and bought from the origin nation
I mean, the proposals for ANZACs don’t involve an independent tree, and the idea most well like(by those who know the issue with the failure that is sub-trees) is pairing it with Canada in a CANZC tree. Which, as I said, has unique vehicles for every rank, with that being domestic for ground(air might seem less so as it’s more modifications and licensed built).
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Presumably these would be removed from the British tree and added to a Commonwealth one, considering they are Commonwealth vehicles.
I disagree here, I find that Aus and NZ tend to heavily modify their stuff towards their needs, at least when looking at the naval side of things (as that is what I know best).
Off the top of my head both HMNZS Achilles and HMAS Australia (II) lost main battery turrets for more AA, only unique to them in their classe, one of the Australian Darings gaining Seacat missiles, the various vessels in the scrap iron flotilla using captured Italian MGs and 12pdrs, and not to mention the various weird modifications to the Type 12 M/I platform.
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i was talking about air and ground, if a commonweath tree were to come i don’t know if you could expect it before the game died or not
licensed build = clones, and yes, i see at least one domestic machine at each rank, tho it still does not make sense to add an entire tree.
that was build with parts of Grumman`s planes looking up mostly to F3F
Tho i see i misunderstood some info and it is also a unique machine as has unique planer that differs from the F3F. So i apologize for misunderstanding