Do you think If the aim54 get its realistic stats the f14A/f14B will move up in br asking out of curiosity especially for the f14A being at 12.7
No because the seekerhead of aim54a will always be terrible.
Aim54c maybe
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It’s funny because the Aim-120C5 beats the Aim-54C in the 60km Mach 1 shot by almost 3 seconds iirc. Which is absurd.
Only the F-14A will stay the same BR. Because it’s Aim-54s will stay at the same range and the A model will be a SARH until pitbull. So it evens out.
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Sounds great, now add AIM-7R on top of AIM-120A to future F-14D while you’re at it.
it doesnt need ammarams to not be DOA it would 13.0 -13.3 when they finaly decompress the BR range and have AIM-9M and AIM-7P at a br where there useful and APG-70 radar a a full over haul of the crummy AWG Analogue system changing it to digital and it would be precise
it would be the best american 13.0
giving it the 120 would make it DOA cause it has no HMD and cant compete with J10A EF2000 RAFALE JAS39 SU30SM F15E etc which all out do you
if added with 120s it would be 13.7 and get brutally killed 24/7
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literally the F14D is better in basically every way and fixes all the problems the F14B has with its radar and weapons it likely be foldered to new features on it are
Boosted radar APG-70 now you wont be as easy to notch
AIM-9M and AIM-7P with DL functionality
slightly heavier lower Twr by .03
IRST which helps with the 9M stealth shots look at typhoon
and a new model of AIM54C
to cap it off
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Dosent really matter if it does go at 13.7 as it will be their 70% of the time cause it’s not gonna be at 13.0 it’s most likely gonna be 13.3 -13.7
F14B with aim7m alr do this just not as good
I’m aware of this tell that to other people who think it’s a copy and paste
You say that like they gonna rework the aim54 last time I checked theirs barely a difference in The A model with the B model
Can’t imagine the F-14D could be anywhere higher than 13.0 unless it gets 9X’ which isnt happening anytime soon afaik, or AMRAAMs. Even then, it would likely struggle vs other jets armed with 5th gen IIR missiles. Its long overdue tbh.
IF it gets the protoype dual AIM-120 rails (and I dont consider the chances of it even getting AMRAAMs at all being anything more than hopium at best, gaijin has proven that they absolutely despise the F-14 and anything marginally related to it), it could go to 14.0 with 9M’s, where it would the worst jet at the BR, as a sidegrade/downgrade to the F/A-18C (Late), but with the russian/chinese superjets at 13.3 now, thats where the F-14D should be with 8x AIM-120’s. Nowhere near “rank 9”.
As for the folder being “filled” there’s no such thing. Folders can have more than 2 vehicles inside, its just not common.
The F-14D, unless given prototype stuff like AIM-120’s, dual AIM-120 rails, and VTAS, is basically just going to be an F-14B with the F-15E radar, so if its not a premium (im thinking its gonna be gaijins new US 13.3 premium “competition” for the Su-30MK2 in the very near future) it should be foldered, as theres literally no good reason for gaijin to make players grind through a minor upgrade to the already optional F-14B.
The German S.M.79s don’t count because they were removed from the game unless you had them already, and the Soviet Ar-2/SB 2 folder only has three vehicles in it. The Soviet Su-2 folder has four in it, but that is the highest I could find in game.
If the american ARH curse continues, itll be worse actually…
(AIM-54A is better than the AIM-54C, and AIM-120A is better than the AIM-120C-5, cuz gaijin thinks theyre super funny)
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The whole folder thing I heard that their gonna start topping out at 3 I’ve believe Simn addresses this plus it could just be folder in with the f18 I don’t see why it has to be folder in with other f14’s
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AIM-54C+ was a more upgraded version they made and wanted to deploy, had some stuff from the AMRAAM seeker implemented among other things, but the gooberment decided to toss it in the trash for cost cutting reasons. They retained some of the stuff which was implemented as the ECCM/Sealed variant.
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You sure about that? It has a better flightmodel than both of them, better avionics than those of them, and equivalent weaponry to them for the foreseeable future.
For example: The only things besides HMD the F-15E and F/A-18C have over the F-14D are these:
Hornet C Late: AoA Ability, 2 more ARH missiles, (Gun Placement??)
Strike Eagle: Just Pure speed
That’s significantly underBR’d with 8x AMRAAMs.
I think you’re confusing the F-14B with the F-14D. The F-14B is the minor upgrade. The F-14B brought New engines, a couple new sensors, and “New” Missiles. The F-14D replaces the engine upgrade for actual new weapons, vastly better avionics suites, and vastly improved additional sensors. Not to even mention the QoL for Sim, or the DFCS which should make the F-14D handle much better at what it previously lacked at.
- On the deck, better STR, loses in ITR. At alt, pretty sure the F-15E beats it in every way in-game, but the F/A-18C is worse simply due to being slow.
- F-15E has the speed and accel advantage in all regimes.
FM-wise, id say its a toss-up between the 3, all 3 have their pros and cons, but the 14B is a contender in that regard.
Sorta, but not really. APG-71 is just gonna be a copy paste APG-70. They might give it more range which will have literally 0 use in WT, thats about it, and the APG-65 does just fine as well. Id say its technically true but functionally irrelevant.
“Besides the HMD” is downplaying one of the most major advantage the other 2 have…
Either way, thats why I said “sidegrade/downgrade” to the F/A-18C (shouldve added F-15E to that tbf), cuz its mostly just a sidegrade in every respect, and a downgrade when lack of HMD is considered.
Not really, itd be fighting the J-11A/Su-30MK2 with 6x assorted 27ER/ET or RVV-AE’s + 4xR-73 WITH HMD. Would also be fighting stuff like JAS-39A (no fox 3, but delta duck FM + HMD), and F-16A variants (6x AMRAAMs but vastly superior FM). Fits in just right with the other twin engine 4th gen jets, trades off better avionics for no HMD basically.
You’re vastly overstating how big a deal the F-14D is compared to the F-14B in WT. The avionics and sensors will be better, but it’ll still be otherwise the same jet. You can just look at the F-15C vs the F-15CGE for a look at what that looks like. F-15C is 13.7, F-15CGE is 14.3 (with a bunch of ppl saying it shouldnt be a 14.3).
Theres also the compression issue to consider, with the difference between 13.0 (gen 3.5 jets with fox 3’s or gen 4 with bad fox 3’s) and 13.3 (4th gen with fox 3’s and/or HMD) being signficantly larger than the difference between the next few steps
- 13.7 have good fox 3 + HMD + working avionics (13.3 lack 1 of the 3 components, which is exactly what an AMRAAM armed F-14D is)
- 14.0 are 13.7’s with slightly better FM’s
- 14.3 are 14.0 but have either vastly better avionics or vastly better FM’s (except the Rafale, which is a 15.3 waiting for gaijin to stop sucking the french mains off)
13.3 is where the F-14D belongs imo, pretty much regardless of getting 8x AMRAAMs or not. 6-8x AMRAAMs will mean itll be a competitive 13.3, no AMRAAM’s will mean itll be a bottom of the barrel 13.3. Could make a case it belongs at 13.7 with 8x AMRAAM’s, but the lack of HMD is killing it at that point imo.
New cockpit and better radar will be quite nice for sim, but its a pretty small playerbase, and at 13.7 itd only be worth playing 1/4 of the time when 13.7 is top tier. Otherwise it will get violated by all the 14.3 jets.
This isnt gonna be modelled. They’ll copy paste the F-14B FM and then tell you to kick rocks anytime you try to bug report it. Thats been their MO with the F-14 ever since the jet was added to the game.
I love the F-14, but lets be realistic. Its well past its prime in-game, and gaijins track record of abject hatred for the jet aint doing it any favours either. 13.3 premium is almost guaranteed what it’ll be, and they probs still wont give it AMRAAM’s or the Rafale treatment of getting an HMD it shouldnt have.
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quite a bit heavier. so worse fm
its like su-27s vs su-30mk2