How to resolve the issue on getting the 2S38 to be balanced

If you’re advocating for the 2S38 to have its AFPSDS rounds removed you’ll have no complaint from me.

Tell that to the Gepard / Otomatic / every other SPAA in the game limited to 1 belt of APDS rounds because IRL that’s what would be taken since their primary role isn’t direct ground to ground engagement.

The 2S38’s primary role is infantry support / engaging low flying air craft. Its ability to function as an anti tank is massively overperforming because of Gaijin’s modeling and map design. This isn’t an issue specific to it though, but it should be taken in to account when balancing it.

It’s a 2022 vehicle, saying it should be fighting vehicles designed in the 1970s betrays personal biases.

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Remove APFSDS - welcome to 9.0 - 9.3. Basically ZSU-57-2 with thermals, mobility and some survivability. But gaijin would never do that, we all know that.

The 2S38 is a Air Defence vehicle that is expected & equipped to engage ground targets, much in the same way as the ZSU-57 is with it’s APHE & to a certain extent is Russian doctrine, for combat units to be more self reliant, like the 2S1 & 2S3M having anti armour rounds for direct fire despite being Artillery units.

As opposed to NATO vehicles which are designed to be more reliant on a web of units, see Pantsir being all in one air destroyer with NATO having no all in one counterpart. Gepard’s would not be deployed to be clearing out towns of hostiles, they would be in a dedicated SPAA battery so would only have APDS for real emergencies.

Surely you can’t be serious, they are cutting off flanking routes, many maps have hilly terrain and you are mostly fighting head on, the 2S38 is situational, when it does well it does very well. But that is it.

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NATO has multiple SHORAD vehicles Gaijin has failed to model them.

Yes Gaijin’s maps are bad and don’t support long range engagements. All vehicles must suffer this it doesn’t justify the 2S38’s performance.

I don’t recommend that it should lose all of its APFSDS rounds but to think that it should be carrying 200+ is asinine.

1 Belt ~ 50 rounds is fair.

Or it can have its BR raised to where it should be considering the vehicle is from 2022.

Gepard has an APDS box on the side of the gun.
OTOMATIC has a 2 feed system, one for APFSDS.
& 2 feed system isn’t modeled in WT so you can’t just limit the amount to 1 side + hull storage currently.
AMX-30 DCA has no limitation.

Age of the vehicle means nothing.
Age =/= superior.
If 2S38 is overperforming then its average KDR should be 2:1 then.

@Ex3RC
APFSDS can stay. 2S38 is easy to kill, no harder than M3A3.

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You can kill the Abrams with a T-34 does that mean the Abrams should be 3.3?

2 Feed is modeled in War Thunder, this doesn’t effect the total ammo capacity just the belt’s ammo capacity.

No, the characteristics of the vehicle is what makes it superior. The characteristics are determined by the age in which the vehicle was developed as technology is improved over time.

A two to one ratio isn’t the magic threshold to determine whether something is overperforming.

Player statistics shouldn’t be governing balancing in any case. Players are varied, there is no SBMM by which to judge general skill.

If you think it should then how do you justify the Clickbait’s 11.3 BR?

All the technology in 2S38 was invented & tested in the 1990s.
2S38 is slightly better than Strf 9040C and that’s it.
It’s nothing special, Sweden had 2S38s for far longer, just less used cause they’re not premium.

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That’s wild.

The Leclerc is 11.7, let’s put it there.

Yes it is better, so why is its BR the same?

The 2S38 is the highest penetrating IFV in the game while also having access to proximity shells and IRST tracking. The only thing it lacks is ATGMs.

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Proximity & ISRT doesn’t increase its BR since 2S38’s BR is already far higher than its SPAA capability.
BR is the same cause more people play the 2S38 than the Strf 9040C which has an effect of people performing similar in both.
If you want a BR disparity between the two, people have to perform significantly differently due to how similar they are.
Clearly the slightly more pen of 2S38 isn’t helping players more than Strf 9040C players at this time.
Especially since it seems people can barely manage 1:1 KDR in it.
If 2S38 is “OP” at 1:1 KDR, then all tanks are OP in WT, which means none are.

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The Otomatic is 11.3 why?

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APFSDS round that pens as well as DM23 and people performing well in it back in the day.
Less people use it these days reducing usable data.

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sorry but i have 9d cocpit simulator. and its pretu hard for me play game + in VR so. its kinda hard compared to normal settup. but funn.

You clearly just hate the 2S38, multiple people have given you rational reasoning for why it is not OP but It seems none of it really matters.

Ultimately Gaijin are not going to move it, they are happy where it is and I think most people don’t care.

There are bigger problems at top tier, 2S38 being part of this, which is players with small line ups - one death leavers so games collapse within 5 minutes.

It carries 148 Rounds, not 200.

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That’s wild imagine an SPAA that has a good penetrating APFSDS round.

So the 2S38 should be 11.0 glad we’re agreed.

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No, it’s not a spaa.

It’s a light tank with all the bells and whistles according to Gaijin.

And are you telling me that IRST, which makes hitting flying vehicles much easier, isn’t something that makes a light tank more powerful?

like for real?

No, because then OTOMATIC would have to be 11.7 - 12.0.

@Gruminator
It only makes it more powerful if the anti-tank capabilities is inferior.
See Lvkv 9040 where its anti-air capabilities is stronger than its anti-tank capabilities.
Lvkv 9040 is a 10.0 SPAA with a 9.3 anti-tank capabilit

So now i called your bluff with your other claims you pull another vehicle into the mix?

Nah, f it, no point in talking with you bud.

happy new year

You get countered & immediately claim victory.
Pigeons are involved in this conversation.

Why?

We determined that there’s proxy fuze SPAA at 9.0 where did you get “10.0” from?

IRST & search radar.
One of those 2S38 lacks.