I would put both otomatic and 2s38 at 10.7, maybe 11.0. otomatic is better aa because of the radar, 2s38 is a lot better anti tank because of unlimited apfsds and still pretty capable aa, so maybe even 11.0. 10.3 is still a bit low for 2s38 because you can lol-pen plenty of tanks at this br, and your high rate of fire doesn’t really give a chance.
As for hstvl, it should be 1 step higher, 2 at most, than 2s38 because of its mobility. Yes, it has higher pen, but 3 times less firerate, limited ammo and no aa capability at all
The 2S38 shouldn’t have been a premium to begin with, I was actually shocked when I saw it was coming as a premium. I’m sure if you put a premium CV9040 into the game you’d encounter the same issues. They should take it out and add another late model to the tech tree at some point.
2S38 from my experience using it, is mostly if not only good at flanking (ignoring its air to air capabilities). It has some major drawbacks: The benefit of the unmanned turret is nullified by having the ammunition next to the breach, therefore you can’t hull down effectively. On top of that, has only 5 degrees of gun depression and the fact that the turret is kind of high up makes it worse. The first stage ammo pool is rather limited (this might change like the hstvl). The fuel tank in the front, this a 50/50, its the largest fuel tank in the game, and fuel tanks are known to sponge from apfsds to missiles BUT this is NOT an external fuel tank and suffers from constant fuel explosions like the rest of the T series tanks (and the Leclerc).
At 10.0 it’s rather undertiered, but it isn’t the only premium vehicle that is such.
PUMA players are allegedly as good as 2S38 players currently despite 2S38 having a better gun.
Strv 9040C is the best analogue to 2S38 where the only real difference is the pen.
Which is why I say 2S38 would be balanced at 10.3 if Strv 9040C stays 10.0, not enough differences to warrant more difference in BR.
Honestly, 50mm of extra pen at this high of a br is not a difference. Would be like comparing a 2 rank 3 tanks with one having a round with 10mm more pen. They are going to have to aim at the same places 98% of the time
The PUMA has no where near the effectiveness for either anti tank or anti air.
2S38 with IRST is literally similar to the OTOMATIC albeit less range BUT no RWR.
The BMP-2M also has this feature (with the Anti air missiles).
The Lvkv 9040c is much better in both anti air and anti tank capabilities (more pen plus HE-VT).
The Strv 9040BILL is also better with APFSDS and ATGM’s.
Strv 9040c also better, not to mention smaller and with HE-VT.
It’s the difference between going through a cannon breech and not going through.
It would not be like comparing two tanks with 10mm difference in pen because it doesn’t have 10mm difference, it has a 50mm difference in penetration.
Yes, and whether the round goes through and spalls / damages the breech depends on the round size and the penetration value. The 2S38 beats it on both fronts.
